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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: No Salvation Outside the Church
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2017, 11:52:30 AM »
There are no "substitutes" for the Sacrament, nor are there "two additional baptisms".  Both those formulations are heretical.

To uphold BoD/BoB without heresy ... which Lover of Heresy refuses to do ... one would have to maintain that there are three modes of receiving the one Sacrament of Baptism, e.g. in re, in voto, and in sanguine -- one Sacrament with 3 modes of reception.  I don't agree, but this would avoid heresy.  But Lover of Heresy doesn't mind constantly promoting heretical propositions; nay, he revels in it.

Re: No Salvation Outside the Church
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2017, 11:53:28 AM »
Well, Griff, allow me the opportunity to answer that question for you. Those Popes, Saints, Doctors, Fathers, and other formal doctrinal sources just didn't get it. Common man, get with the program. Obviously (hopefully) I'm being facetious. But it is interesting how far those go who insist on water Baptism/formal membership in the Church for salvation to be possible, without any exception, to try to make their position appear tenable. In order to appear to gain plausibility they have to deny, twist, and misquote an onslaught of authoritative docuмentation and hope we are stupid enough to fall for it.

    There is one Baptism of God into Eternal Life which can be applied in three ways. The first is the ordinary means of being cleansed of Original Sin and is a Sacrament which is done with water. If one knows this must be done to obtain Eternal Life and refuses to do so he cannot be saved. The extraordinary forms of Baptism (or cleansing of Original Sin) are baptism of blood, when one, before he has the chance to be baptized, or due to inculpable ignorance of the need for Baptism, dies for Christ, and the third form of Baptism is baptism of the Holy Ghost and of repentance, generally phrased in English as, "baptism of 'desire'". Baptism of blood and baptism of desire will be referred to as [BOB/D] later in this docuмent. In Latin this third application of the one Baptism is called baptismus flaminis. While alive on earth, the only way to become of member of the Catholic Church is to be baptized sacramentally with water, profess the Faith, and submit to the Church's legitimate authority. Sacramental water Baptism is the only Baptism that gives the soul an indelible mark, and is what is required before one can receive any of the other sacraments. But the other two forms of Baptism cleanse the soul of Original Sin. Baptism of blood wipes away any penalty for past sins as does sacramental Baptism.


Re: No Salvation Outside the Church
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2017, 07:24:15 AM »
It is impossible to be validly baptized more than once. Deliberately putting off Baptism until the moment of death so as to avoid Purgatory is rash, foolish, and offensive to God; the Lord does not consider our souls a game, and neither should we. The reason why putting off Baptism is an affront to God, and foolish, is because one can die at any moment without the chance of being baptized, and all the desire in the world won't help a soul that knew the Catholic Church is the One True Church and deliberately put off joining her through sacramental Baptism.

Re: No Salvation Outside the Church
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2017, 10:02:36 AM »
Master Griff of "WaHo" spaketh hie yon "exite twaelve"
There are no "substitutes" for the Sacrament, nor are there "two additional baptisms".  Both those formulations are heretical.

To uphold BoD/BoB without heresy ... which Lover of Heresy refuses to do ... one would have to maintain that there are three modes of receiving the one Sacrament of Baptism, e.g. in re, in voto, and in sanguine -- one Sacrament with 3 modes of reception.  I don't agree, but this would avoid heresy.  But Lover of Heresy doesn't mind constantly promoting heretical propositions; nay, he revels in it.

Re: No Salvation Outside the Church
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2017, 10:56:45 AM »

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Our Lord is our Divine Savior precisely because, through His sacrificial death on Calvary, He has earned for us the salvation from our sins, both original and actual. Now, the salvation which He merited for us was precisely a rescue from our sins and from the effects consequent upon them. Those effects are principally the loss of God's friendship; subjection to Satan, the prince of this world; the eternal loss of the Beatific Vision; and the punishments of hell. Our Lord did not suffer the tortures and the ignominy of the most horrible of deaths to win any unimportant favor for us. Fenton