Author Topic: No Salvation Outside the Church (Read 2242 times)

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #15 on:** May 18, 2016, 08:57:03 AM »

He points out that non-members cannot be "secure" about their salvation. He did not say they could not be saved within the Church by desire. The reason they cannot be secure is the lack the infallible doctrine, the disciplines that keep one on the right path and most especially the Sacraments which are the ordinary means of sanctifying grace entering into the world. Members within the Church can be much more secure of their salvation because of these great advantages. That is the obvious meaning combined with his other statements and the statements of all who spoke to the issue of BOD.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #16 on:** May 18, 2016, 01:08:20 PM »

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He points out that non-members cannot be "secure" about their salvation. He did not say they could not be saved within the Church by desire. The reason they cannot be secure is the lack the infallible doctrine, the disciplines that keep one on the right path and most especially the Sacraments which are the ordinary means of sanctifying grace entering into the world. Members within the Church can be much more secure of their salvation because of these great advantages. That is the obvious meaning combined with his other statements and the statements of all who spoke to the issue of BOD.

So then members CAN be "secure" about their salvation?

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #17 on:** May 18, 2016, 01:25:49 PM »

Compared to non-members they are in a much better position in regards to security for the obvious reasons I pointed out.

A non-member is less likely to have a supernatural Faith, avoid sin, and if in a state of sanctifying grace it is more difficult for them to stay that way without the helps of the Sacraments.

A non-member must be in a state of sanctifying grace (and have a supernatural Faith) in order to be saved within the Church according to the teaching of the Church.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #18 on:** May 18, 2016, 02:10:22 PM »

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Compared to non-members they are in a much better position in regards to security for the obvious reasons I pointed out.

That's not the question. You never actually answer the question when the answer might be inconvenient to your heretical theses.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #19 on:** May 18, 2016, 02:31:57 PM »

You can't be serious. You would have put Pius XII out of job. Incredible.