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New Video - Cornelius, The Gift Of Languages & The Necessity Of Baptism
« on: July 06, 2017, 10:33:16 PM »
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    • This is an important new video on the salvation and baptism issues.

    Cornelius, The Gift Of Languages & The Necessity Of Baptism

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    Re: New Video - Cornelius, The Gift Of Languages & The Necessity Of Baptism
    « Reply #1 on: July 26, 2017, 08:58:28 PM »
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    • Wow, no brainless piles of Dimond hate. Seeing a trend here.
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    Re: New Video - Cornelius, The Gift Of Languages & The Necessity Of Baptism
    « Reply #2 on: July 27, 2017, 09:16:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on July 26, 2017, 08:58:28 PM
    Wow, no brainless piles of Dimond hate. Seeing a trend here.

    Is English your native language?  What exactly are you trying to say here?
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    Re: New Video - Cornelius, The Gift Of Languages & The Necessity Of Baptism
    « Reply #3 on: July 31, 2017, 08:57:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 27, 2017, 09:16:16 AM
    Is English your native language?  What exactly are you trying to say here?
    Is "Ass" yours? Care to try again?
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    Re: New Video - Cornelius, The Gift Of Languages & The Necessity Of Baptism
    « Reply #4 on: July 31, 2017, 09:14:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on July 27, 2017, 09:16:16 AM
    Is English your native language?  What exactly are you trying to say here?

    Cheek aside, pretty solid responses to "Lover of truth" overall, at least lately.
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    Re: New Video - Cornelius, The Gift Of Languages & The Necessity Of Baptism
    « Reply #5 on: August 01, 2017, 08:59:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: DZ PLEASE on July 31, 2017, 09:14:29 PM
    Cheek aside, pretty solid responses to "Lover of truth" overall, at least lately.

    It's not hard.  Lover of Truth has such a poor grasp of theology and even basic logic that it's a piece of cake to rip him to shreds.  He believes that he's doing a service to his position by posting here when he discredits it more and more every day.

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    Re: New Video - Cornelius, The Gift Of Languages & The Necessity Of Baptism
    « Reply #6 on: August 01, 2017, 02:14:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 01, 2017, 08:59:30 AM
    It's not hard.  Lover of Truth has such a poor grasp of theology and even basic logic that it's a piece of cake to rip him to shreds.  He believes that he's doing a service to his position by posting here when he discredits it more and more every day.
    "…but by the grace…", and I may yet be there in spite of. "Mea maxima culpa" It's a disease of a sort, one easily caught and harder to recover from by the day. It is now a pandemic. Makes me aporeciatecapital punishment more as remedy. Atsome pt. brimstone is  all there is for it. 
    Of course, as seems the case with you and @Lover of Truth, those unaccustomed to figurative spatter from a likewise figuraTive decapitation tend to take it as being uncharitable.
    Pardon the text pls. Teeny/laggy Kindle x-browser/no computer. It's like an "ELF" xmit from "Davey Jones"
    You also raise a very rare and key point in bringing up the schoolmen. There is no conventiinal sorting this mess without them
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    Re: New Video - Cornelius, The Gift Of Languages & The Necessity Of Baptism
    « Reply #7 on: August 07, 2017, 12:50:11 PM »
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    • POPE ST. PIUS V (1566-1572)
    Ex omnibus afflictionibus, October 1, 1567
    Condemned the following erroneous propositions of Michael du Bay:
    • Perfect and sincere charity, which is from a “pure heart and good conscience and a faith not feigned” (1 Tim. 1:5) can be in catechumens as well as in penitents without the remission of sins.
    • That charity which is the fullness of the law is not always connected with the remission of sins.
    • A catechumen lives justly and rightly and holily, and observes the commandments of God, and fulfills the law through charity, which is only received in the laver of Baptism, before the remission of sins has been obtained.
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: New Video - Cornelius, The Gift Of Languages & The Necessity Of Baptism
    « Reply #8 on: August 07, 2017, 01:35:52 PM »
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    • Stop spamming up other people's threads.  It's one thing if you do this on your own threads and quite another when you pollute other people's threads with it.
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    Re: New Video - Cornelius, The Gift Of Languages & The Necessity Of Baptism
    « Reply #9 on: August 07, 2017, 01:37:43 PM »
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    • FR. LUDOVICO BILLOT, S.J., De Ecclesiae Sacmmentis (Vol. I); Quaestio LXVI; Thesis XXIV - 1931:
    Baptism of spirit (flaminis), which is also called of repentance or of desire, is nothing else than an act of charity or perfect contrition including a desire of the Sacrament, according to what has been said above, namely that the heart of everyone is moved by the Holy Ghost to believe, and to love God, and to be sorry for his sins.
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: New Video - Cornelius, The Gift Of Languages & The Necessity Of Baptism
    « Reply #10 on: August 07, 2017, 01:41:37 PM »
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    • You're being reported again to Matthew, John Gregory.

    You've been admonished about this behavior before.
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    Re: New Video - Cornelius, The Gift Of Languages & The Necessity Of Baptism
    « Reply #11 on: August 07, 2017, 01:43:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 07, 2017, 01:41:37 PM
    You're being reported again to Matthew, John Gregory.

    You've been admonished about this behavior before.
    You are using a bad translation of the Catechism of Pope Saint Pius X (the implication being that Pope Saint Pius X supposedly didn't teach baptism of desire and baptism of blood).

    Incorrect. If we look at the original catechism of Pope Saint Pius X published in 1912, we can clearly see Pope Saint Pius X teaching not only baptism of desire and baptism of blood, but also on the soul of the Church. Here are photocopies of the appropriate pages in the original Catechism published in 1912:   Catechism cover   Page 24–25   Page 48-49.

     Page 25 contains Question 132 which contains the text, "132. Chi è fuori della Chiesa si salva? Chi è fuori della Chiesa per propria colpa e muore senza dolore perfetto, non si salva; ma chi ci si trovi senza propria colpa e viva bene, può salvarsi con l'amor di carità, che unisce a Dio, e, in spirito, anche alla Chiesa, cioè all'anima di lei."

     This is the same exact Italian text easily found through Google searches. While the authors of this website do not speak Italian, even a broken Google translation of the above text clearly shows Pope Saint Pius X teaching that one can be saved in the soul of the Church through perfect contrition. Google translation: "132. Who is outside the Church is saved? Who is outside the Church through their own fault and die without pain perfect, you do not save it, but whoever you are find no fault of their own and live well, can be saved with the love of charity, which unites with God, and, spirit, even in the Church, that her soul."

     Pages 48-49 contain Question 280 which contains the text, "280. Se il Battesimo necessario a tutti, può salvarsi nessuno senza Battesimo? Senza Battesimo nessuno può salvarsi, quando però non si possa ricevere il Battesimo di acqua, basta il Battesimo di sangue, cioè il martirio sofferto per Gesù Cristo, oppure il Battesimo di desiderio che é l'amor di carità, desideroso dei mezzi di salute istituiti da Dio."

     Again, this is the same exact Italian text easily found through Google searches. Even a broken Google translation of the above text clearly shows Pope Saint Pius X teaching both baptism of desire and baptism of blood. Google translation: "280. If the Baptism necessary at all, no one can be saved without Baptism? Nobody can be saved without baptism, but when we can not receive Baptism of water, just the baptism of blood, that the martyrdom suffered for Jesus Christ, or the Baptism of desire that is the love of charity, willing the means of health instituted by God."
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    Re: New Video - Cornelius, The Gift Of Languages & The Necessity Of Baptism
    « Reply #12 on: August 07, 2017, 01:53:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 07, 2017, 01:43:00 PM
    You are using a bad translation of the Catechism of Pope Saint Pius X (the implication being that Pope Saint Pius X supposedly didn't teach baptism of desire and baptism of blood).

    This is not relevant to the subject of this thread.  You are deliberately polluting and derailing other people's threads now.  You've crossed a line.  On your own threads, it's just childish and annoying ... but you can't do this to other people's threads.
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    Re: New Video - Cornelius, The Gift Of Languages & The Necessity Of Baptism
    « Reply #13 on: August 07, 2017, 01:54:59 PM »
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    • You are using a bad translation of the Catechism of Pope Saint Pius X (the implication being that Pope Saint Pius X supposedly didn't teach baptism of desire and baptism of blood).

    Incorrect. If we look at the original catechism of Pope Saint Pius X published in 1912, we can clearly see Pope Saint Pius X teaching not only baptism of desire and baptism of blood, but also on the soul of the Church. Here are photocopies of the appropriate pages in the original Catechism published in 1912:   Catechism cover   Page 24–25   Page 48-49.

     Page 25 contains Question 132 which contains the text, "132. Chi è fuori della Chiesa si salva? Chi è fuori della Chiesa per propria colpa e muore senza dolore perfetto, non si salva; ma chi ci si trovi senza propria colpa e viva bene, può salvarsi con l'amor di carità, che unisce a Dio, e, in spirito, anche alla Chiesa, cioè all'anima di lei."

     This is the same exact Italian text easily found through Google searches. While the authors of this website do not speak Italian, even a broken Google translation of the above text clearly shows Pope Saint Pius X teaching that one can be saved in the soul of the Church through perfect contrition. Google translation: "132. Who is outside the Church is saved? Who is outside the Church through their own fault and die without pain perfect, you do not save it, but whoever you are find no fault of their own and live well, can be saved with the love of charity, which unites with God, and, spirit, even in the Church, that her soul."

     Pages 48-49 contain Question 280 which contains the text, "280. Se il Battesimo necessario a tutti, può salvarsi nessuno senza Battesimo? Senza Battesimo nessuno può salvarsi, quando però non si possa ricevere il Battesimo di acqua, basta il Battesimo di sangue, cioè il martirio sofferto per Gesù Cristo, oppure il Battesimo di desiderio che é l'amor di carità, desideroso dei mezzi di salute istituiti da Dio."

     Again, this is the same exact Italian text easily found through Google searches. Even a broken Google translation of the above text clearly shows Pope Saint Pius X teaching both baptism of desire and baptism of blood. Google translation: "280. If the Baptism necessary at all, no one can be saved without Baptism? Nobody can be saved without baptism, but when we can not receive Baptism of water, just the baptism of blood, that the martyrdom suffered for Jesus Christ, or the Baptism of desire that is the love of charity, willing the means of health instituted by God."
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: New Video - Cornelius, The Gift Of Languages & The Necessity Of Baptism
    « Reply #14 on: August 07, 2017, 11:14:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 07, 2017, 01:54:59 PM
    You are using a bad translation of the Catechism of Pope Saint Pius X (the implication being that Pope Saint Pius X supposedly didn't teach baptism of desire and baptism of blood).

    Incorrect. If we look at the original catechism of Pope Saint Pius X published in 1912, we can clearly see Pope Saint Pius X teaching not only baptism of desire and baptism of blood, but also on the soul of the Church. Here are photocopies of the appropriate pages in the original Catechism published in 1912:   Catechism cover   Page 24–25   Page 48-49.

     Page 25 contains Question 132 which contains the text, "132. Chi è fuori della Chiesa si salva? Chi è fuori della Chiesa per propria colpa e muore senza dolore perfetto, non si salva; ma chi ci si trovi senza propria colpa e viva bene, può salvarsi con l'amor di carità, che unisce a Dio, e, in spirito, anche alla Chiesa, cioè all'anima di lei."

     This is the same exact Italian text easily found through Google searches. While the authors of this website do not speak Italian, even a broken Google translation of the above text clearly shows Pope Saint Pius X teaching that one can be saved in the soul of the Church through perfect contrition. Google translation: "132. Who is outside the Church is saved? Who is outside the Church through their own fault and die without pain perfect, you do not save it, but whoever you are find no fault of their own and live well, can be saved with the love of charity, which unites with God, and, spirit, even in the Church, that her soul."

     Pages 48-49 contain Question 280 which contains the text, "280. Se il Battesimo necessario a tutti, può salvarsi nessuno senza Battesimo? Senza Battesimo nessuno può salvarsi, quando però non si possa ricevere il Battesimo di acqua, basta il Battesimo di sangue, cioè il martirio sofferto per Gesù Cristo, oppure il Battesimo di desiderio che é l'amor di carità, desideroso dei mezzi di salute istituiti da Dio."

     Again, this is the same exact Italian text easily found through Google searches. Even a broken Google translation of the above text clearly shows Pope Saint Pius X teaching both baptism of desire and baptism of blood. Google translation: "280. If the Baptism necessary at all, no one can be saved without Baptism? Nobody can be saved without baptism, but when we can not receive Baptism of water, just the baptism of blood, that the martyrdom suffered for Jesus Christ, or the Baptism of desire that is the love of charity, willing the means of health instituted by God."
    Reported again. Doesn't matter how in/correct your conclusions are. Even the right done wrong is wrong. You redefine "obnoxious" and "boor". You also abuse threads to the point of uselessness. 
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