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NADIEIMPORTANTE - Roman Catechism, Baptism Accident
« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2012, 07:19:08 AM »
Quote from: Cupertino
Quote from: nadieimportante
A quotation with 4 errors as I pointed out in detail, is good for nothing. It's nodifferent than St. Cyprian teaching that the heretics baptism is invalid, or St. Augustines teaching that unbaptized children suffer the sense pains of hell, and all the other errors taught by the Saints. Of course it's harmful, just look at how many people quote it as evidense for implicit BOD, and implicit faith.


Actually, since a good thing can be later abused, that misuse and its bad effect doesn't necessarily signify whether that thing itself is good or bad. My question was not about later, or whether it was abused, but whether the writing, when it was written, called into doubt previous solemnly defined EENS dogma?






There you go again, just like I said you do:

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nadie wrote to Cupertino: Reading whatever you write in excruciating, I just don't bother with it. First  I have to understand what you are asking, which is hard enough, then when in the past I responded, you keep telling me that I don't respond. I don't think that you know what you want. Have someone else ask it in their manner of thinking, in their words, maybe that's a solution. Other than that, just come to the reality that I don't read what you write anymore. Nevertheless, I'm here giving you a way to get a response, get yourself an "interpreter", that can elucidate to me what you are asking and where you are going.


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Actually, since a good thing can be later abused, that misuse and its bad effect doesn't necessarily signify whether that thing itself is good or bad.



That's irrelevant in this case, since this is not a "good thing", that we are talking about here. This quotation is  not good, in fact it's good for nothing. Error is not good. Read what I wrote:

Quote from: nadieimportante

A quotation with 4 errors as I pointed out in detail, is good for nothing. It's no different than St. Cyprian teaching that the heretics baptism is invalid, or St. Augustines teaching that unbaptized children suffer the sense pains of hell, and all the other errors taught by the Saints. Of course it's harmful, just look at how many people quote it as evidense for implicit BOD, and implicit faith.


Add that to all the  contradiction you have to deal with.

NADIEIMPORTANTE - Roman Catechism, Baptism Accident
« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2012, 01:08:42 PM »
Quote from: Cupertino
Nadie,

I am taking your advice you just gave to another to post a separate topic so it would be easier for you to see and answer. So far, it is like pulling teeth to get a simple answer out of you on this, and I have asked multiple times, where you still reply in the same thread but avoid answering.

Do you reject what the Catechism of the Council of Trent taught about how adults may die by accident before receiving water baptism and still be saved?






No.

I don't reject anything taught in the Catechism of the Council of Trent.

Anyone who rejects what was taught there betrays a rebellious spirit and deformed intellect.

This is how sedevacantists are born.


NADIEIMPORTANTE - Roman Catechism, Baptism Accident
« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2012, 03:31:31 PM »
Quote from: Seraphim

No.

I don't reject anything taught in the Catechism of the Council of Trent.

Anyone who rejects what was taught there betrays a rebellious spirit and deformed intellect.

This is how sedevacantists are born.


Benedict XVI doesn't even believe in the Council of Trent. Or Vatican I.

So saying that rejecting a catechism "betrays (I think you meant portrays) a rebellious spirit" means nothing coming from you. You have to betray the faith itself to defend Benedict XVI.

NADIEIMPORTANTE - Roman Catechism, Baptism Accident
« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2012, 03:34:37 PM »
Quote from: Cupertino

So, we have four, what I call "Feeneyites", here in this thread. Baker refused to answer at all. The other three say that what St. Alphonsus wrote is harmful to the dogma of EENS. I will continue, later, in a few hours, if there is no objection so far.


I need thumbscrews to get an answer out of some of you guys too. :rolleyes:

Perhaps you missed my question on St. Fulgence and the other one on adultery?

NADIEIMPORTANTE - Roman Catechism, Baptism Accident
« Reply #54 on: January 21, 2012, 04:27:37 PM »
By what authority do you consider the isolated teachings of saints, which are actually factual ERRORS, the teaching of the church?