This doesn't sound like a strong enough argument to discredit BoB and BoD, (or Guardian Angles). This is also just an opinion.
Sure, it's not. But I don't rely on Guardian Angels to disprove BOD.
There are Scripture quotes to support BoD in the materials the other posters provided.
If they are read how the Church reads them, or how were are to read them in light of Church teaching, there are none. In fact, it is the exact opposite (e.g Trent 'as it is written' regarding John 3:5)
BoD is a part of BoW doctrine as covered in all the sources you provided. All of the positive things they (Councils, etc.) have to say about BoW apply to the other two, as long as the nuances listed in the material the other posters gave are observed. If BoD were going to be condemned, it would have been condemned by Trent since it was so focused on justification and the Sacraments. The Council Fathers and Church Fathers were in a better position to know than anyone since, that's why nobody has condemned it up to now. The Feeneyite opinion is the novelty. That's why it's named after him.
No, it is not. Doctrine pertaining to the Sacrament of Baptism is just that..you will never, ever find the Church teaching a second or third baptism, or baptism without water or with blood, while treating on the Sacrament of Baptism. Again, it's almost always the exact opposite of what you are saying. When the Church teaches about Baptism, She teaches about water.
For instance:
For, by baptism we are reborn spiritually; by confirmation we grow in grace and are strengthened in faith. Once reborn and strengthened, we are nourished by the food of the divine Eucharist. But if through sin we incur an illness of the soul, we are cured spiritually by penance. Spiritually also and bodily as suits the soul, by extreme unction. By orders the church is governed and spiritually multiplied; by matrimony it grows bodily.
All these sacraments are made up of three elements: namely, things as the matter, words as the form, and the person of the minister who confers the sacrament with the intention of doing what the church does. If any of these is lacking, the sacrament is not effected.
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Holy baptism holds the first place among all the sacraments, for it is the gate of the spiritual life; through it we become members of Christ and of the body of the church. Since death came into the world through one person, unless we are born again of water and the spirit, we cannot, as Truth says, enter the kingdom of heaven. The matter of this sacrament is true and natural water, either hot or cold. The form is: I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Spirit.
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence
Trent, ON THE SACRAMENTS IN GENERAL
CANON IV.-If any one saith, that the sacraments of the New Law are not necessary unto salvation, but superfluous; and that, without them, or without the desire thereof, men obtain of God, through faith alone, the grace of justification;-though all (the sacraments) are not indeed necessary for every individual; let him be anathema
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ON BAPTISM [remember, Trent is treating on the Sacraments, this is a part of Trent's decree on the Sacraments]
CANON II.-If any one saith, that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and, on that account, wrests, to some sort of metaphor, those words of our Lord Jesus Christ; Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost; let him be anathema.
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CANON V.-If any one saith, that baptism is free, that is, not necessary unto salvation; let him be anathema
So, from these two councils we are taught:
The Sacraments are necessary for salvation, though not all. (Trent, Sacraments, Canon IV) Meaning at least one is
The Sacraments consist of matter, form, and intention. If any one of these is lacking, the Sacrament is not effected (Florence)
The matter of Baptism is true and natural water (Florence, and Trent, On Baptism Canon II)
The form of Baptism is "I baptize you in the name of the Father, etc." (Florence, and Trent, Baptism, Canon IV)
The Sacrament of Baptism is the one Sacrament that is absolutely necessary for salvation (Trent, Baptism, Canon V and On the Sacraments, Canon IV)
Without true and natural water, the Sacrament of Baptism, which is necessary for salvation, cannot be effected (Trent, Baptism, Canon II)
At the very least, you must admit that BOD is not Church teaching, but the opinion of fallible men. If you want to hold the 'traditional' view of BOD, ok..but if you go into this believing it to be the teaching of the Church, you attribute to the Church something She has never taught. That is the major problem, and probably akin to heresy (saying the Church taught something, when She didn't).
If you accept the fact that the Church has never taught BOD and that you have just been told it is so by fallible men..many who actually
lie regarding Church teaching in an attempt to support their error..I think you will be much more open to seeing the truth about the matter, and why we hold that the Sacrament of Baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation
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