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Offline AnthonyPadua

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Re: Miraculous Baptisms
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2025, 04:49:49 AM »
These examples are very consoling and were very instructive to the pagans and protestants who witnessed them. They show the great mercy of God.
However, we have examples of mercy that are yet greater still. We have examples of canonized saints who were miraculously baptized, who  definitely did not receive water baptism; St. Dismas and the Holy Innocents first of all, and many others.

We must have these examples so that no one of good will may despair. An atheist flying a plane solo and about to crash need only make an act of Faith to save his soul. A commie solider in Siberia who is instantly shot for refusing to shoot a priest will not be abandoned by the very Grace that stayed him.
Actually denial of baptism is not a testimony of God's mercy but a mockery and an act of unbelief.

As other pointed out, both Sts Dimas and Innocents died before the new law so they did not require baptism. As for your 'many others' this is an empty claim with no evidence.

Your second paragraph is outright HERESY! Pope Pius 12th taught very clearly that only those who are baptized and professnthe true faith are members of the Church. And it's an infallible dogma that there is no salvation outside the Church. The council of Trent also teaches that baptism is the sacrament of faith, no-one has faith unless they receive it through baptism, so an atheist can never make an act of supernatural faith because he does not have it, his soul has never been infused with the theological virtues.

Your commie solider is not saved by that act. It's so sad that you can blatantly deny the dogma that baptism is necessary for salvation and that there is no salvation outside of the Church.

Finally God has complete control over all things, everything that happens God allows to happen. As St Augustine said, we should never say that God would allow any of His elect die before receiving the sacrament of the mediator. St Pail says you cannot believe unless you hear and that you cannot hear unless a preacher is sent. Who sends preachers? It is God, they so God's will for the salvation of souls. You need to trust in Divine Providence. God is in control.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Miraculous Baptisms
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2025, 04:53:28 AM »
I don't believe we have any such examples, where it can be proven that any particular saint (after Our Lord's Passion) died without receiving the Sacrament of Baptism. St. Dismas and the Holy Innocents died before the institution of the Church and the necessity of the Sacrament of Baptism for salvation

That's why they always rehash the fake examples, since this is the best they've got, invalid ones from the Old Covenant and of course the famous St. Emerentiana, patron saint of BoDers, even though there's no proof she hadn't been baptized.  In times of persecution, the Pope mandated Baptism earlier than normal but those so baptized would continue on as "catechumen" until they finished their training.


Re: Miraculous Baptisms
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2025, 07:53:16 AM »
That's why they always rehash the fake examples, since this is the best they've got, invalid ones from the Old Covenant and of course the famous St. Emerentiana, patron saint of BoDers, even though there's no proof she hadn't been baptized.  In times of persecution, the Pope mandated Baptism earlier than normal but those so baptized would continue on as "catechumen" until they finished their training.
Yeah, for any claim of an unbaptized saint there is just as much (or more) evidence that can be provided showing that they were in fact baptised, or that is was never Traditionally claimed that they were unbaptized..such as St. Emerentiana, St. Alban's converted soldier, the 40th martyr, of Sebaste, etc.

What we do have proof of, however, is people who would 100% be candidates for 'BOD' being raised from the dead specifically to be baptized, or being miraculously kept alive just long enough to be baptised and then immediately dying

Offline JoeZ

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Re: Miraculous Baptisms
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2025, 08:44:44 PM »
 An atheist flying a plane solo and about to crash need only make an act of Faith to save his soul. A commie solider in Siberia who is instantly shot for refusing to shoot a priest will not be abandoned by the very Grace that stayed him.
I can make up scenarios also. 

The Polynesian father of a family dies with your "act of faith" but has no way to instruct his children in your "way" and so he can save himself but fails to be Christian and save his children and they are forever lost. Your god is cruel.

The sincere Tibetan monk has lived a "good" life and is on his death bed. A Christian missionary arrives in town and preaches the Gospel which is strange and upsetting to the monk. He now has repudiate his entire life and all his vain works to be saved in his last few remaining minutes. Had he died the day before he was saved but now the Catholic Church has become an impediment to his salvation. You hate the Cross of Christ when you think like this.

Offline OABrownson1876

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Re: Miraculous Baptisms
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2025, 09:24:53 PM »
Bishop Williamson in seminary read us a letter by one of the SSPX priests in India.  Some guy in the hospital flagged down the priest from across the hall.  The priest instructed him and baptized the guy.  The guy died that same night after getting baptized.