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MHFM~A Prophet Explains The Vatican II Apostasy From Catholicism
« on: December 05, 2025, 08:57:35 PM »
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  • John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

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    Re: MHFM~A Prophet Explains The Vatican II Apostasy From Catholicism
    « Reply #1 on: December 05, 2025, 10:09:34 PM »
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  • 90%+ of SVs would be ripe for the picking if a "true pope" finally comes along and condemns V2, the NO mass, V2 popes, etc...but then rolls out the old "non-Catholics can be saved in other religions, but not by those religions". You reject one Dogma, you reject them all

    On the other hand, if a true pope comes along and condemns V2, the NO mass, V2 popes, etc., but then condemns BOD as well...would they say he's a heretic too? :confused:
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    Re: MHFM~A Prophet Explains The Vatican II Apostasy From Catholicism
    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 02:54:43 AM »
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  • Interesting how he brings up the same points I've see on here, etc, the tulmudic table blessing, the work of human hands, fruit of the earth, i haven't finished watching it, I hope he brings up Adam's curse of the earth.

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    Re: MHFM~A Prophet Explains The Vatican II Apostasy From Catholicism
    « Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 03:18:53 AM »
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  • 90%+ of SVs would be ripe for the picking if a "true pope" finally comes along and condemns V2, the NO mass, V2 popes, etc...but then rolls out the old "non-Catholics can be saved in other religions, but not by those religions". You reject one Dogma, you reject them all

    On the other hand, if a true pope comes along and condemns V2, the NO mass, V2 popes, etc., but then condemns BOD as well...would they say he's a heretic too? :confused:

    You touch upon one of the biggest problems with SVism.  There's nothing in their position to serve as a principled backstop against simply declaring a Pope who teaches something they don't like to be an Anti-Pope.  Normally you come to the conclusion he's the Pope, and then if he teaches something (with the notes of infallibility) that contradicts your opinion, you then abandon your opinion and accept the new teaching with with the certainly of faith, which must be absolute and preclude even the slightest shadow of doubt.  Before Vatican I, for instance, many rejected papal infallibility, including a couple of approved Catechisms.  But then after the Council, most changed their view and accepted the teaching.  Some, the Old Catholics, persisted in rejecting it, and considered it heretical.  Well, an SV could have just declared Pius IX to be an Anti-Pope and could have written books akin to "Nikita Mastai-Ferretti", where they allege he was a Freemason.

    In any case, no matter what any future pope teaches, could you ever truly have the absolute certainty of faith about it again?  Well, not if in the back of your head there this nagging little "what if .. ", as in "what if he's really an Anti-Pope and this teaching is heretical?".  That's an enormous problem with SVism, at least of the totalist variety.

    With regard to the present Crisis, it's a huge problem for SVism that there's no evidence whatsoever that Montini had been a manifest heretic before he began teaching error at Vatican II.  Nada.  If someone were to uncover something at this point, it would be effectively so obscure that the heresy would have been occult rather than manifest.  Montini was an Archbishop, Roncalli a Cardinal, and nobody was calling them out for manifest heresy BEFORE V2 happened.

    You really do need to have serious doubts PRIOR to when he starts teaching error.  If not, you must accept his teaching and conclude that you were in fact the one who had been in error.

    Let's say we're 10 years into the reign of Pius XII.  No problems up to that point.  But then suddenly he teaches (with the notes of infallibility) something you consider to be grave error, if not heresy.  So you can now declare Pius XII an Anti-Pope and ... problem solved?  With those principles, no dogma is safe and no dogma can preclude some lingering shadow of doubt, since this guy could just be an Anti-Pope.  This is no less harmful to Catholic faith than R&R.  While SVs famously accuse R&R of Magisterium sifting, they can do the same thing, but take it a step further and engage in Pope-Sifting.  In both cases, their private judgment trumps the perceived teaching of a Pope and both put their private judgment as their ultimate rule of faith.

    No, the answer must lie elsewhere.

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    Re: MHFM~A Prophet Explains The Vatican II Apostasy From Catholicism
    « Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 06:26:21 AM »
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  • You touch upon one of the biggest problems with SVism.  There's nothing in their position to serve as a principled backstop against simply declaring a Pope who teaches something they don't like to be an Anti-Pope.  Normally you come to the conclusion he's the Pope, and then if he teaches something (with the notes of infallibility) that contradicts your opinion, you then abandon your opinion and accept the new teaching with with the certainly of faith, which must be absolute and preclude even the slightest shadow of doubt.  Before Vatican I, for instance, many rejected papal infallibility, including a couple of approved Catechisms.  But then after the Council, most changed their view and accepted the teaching.  Some, the Old Catholics, persisted in rejecting it, and considered it heretical.  Well, an SV could have just declared Pius IX to be an Anti-Pope and could have written books akin to "Nikita Mastai-Ferretti", where they allege he was a Freemason.

    In any case, no matter what any future pope teaches, could you ever truly have the absolute certainty of faith about it again?  Well, not if in the back of your head there this nagging little "what if .. ", as in "what if he's really an Anti-Pope and this teaching is heretical?".  That's an enormous problem with SVism, at least of the totalist variety.

    With regard to the present Crisis, it's a huge problem for SVism that there's no evidence whatsoever that Montini had been a manifest heretic before he began teaching error at Vatican II.  Nada.  If someone were to uncover something at this point, it would be effectively so obscure that the heresy would have been occult rather than manifest.  Montini was an Archbishop, Roncalli a Cardinal, and nobody was calling them out for manifest heresy BEFORE V2 happened.

    You really do need to have serious doubts PRIOR to when he starts teaching error.  If not, you must accept his teaching and conclude that you were in fact the one who had been in error.

    Let's say we're 10 years into the reign of Pius XII.  No problems up to that point.  But then suddenly he teaches (with the notes of infallibility) something you consider to be grave error, if not heresy.  So you can now declare Pius XII an Anti-Pope and ... problem solved?  With those principles, no dogma is safe and no dogma can preclude some lingering shadow of doubt, since this guy could just be an Anti-Pope.  This is no less harmful to Catholic faith than R&R.  While SVs famously accuse R&R of Magisterium sifting, they can do the same thing, but take it a step further and engage in Pope-Sifting.  In both cases, their private judgment trumps the perceived teaching of a Pope and both put their private judgment as their ultimate rule of faith.

    No, the answer must lie elsewhere.
    It does seem like a big problem. So people 'should' consider P6 and J23 valid popes? I think the sspx claims that v2 didnt "teach" error. I.e it wasn't engaged in infallibility. I think you've articulated before that jp23 was invalid due to siri getting elected, but if someone doesn't believe that then can they realistically reject J23? Can they say they reject him because v2 Taught error? But if v2 wasn't engaged in teaching like some claim then can they really reject him? But also didnt he get replaced by P6 during v2? So it's possible that v2 didn't teach error under j23 but only under P6.

    I'm rambling here.


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  • You touch upon one of the biggest problems with SVism.  There's nothing in their position to serve as a principled backstop against simply declaring a Pope who teaches something they don't like to be an Anti-Pope.  Normally you come to the conclusion he's the Pope, and then if he teaches something (with the notes of infallibility) that contradicts your opinion, you then abandon your opinion and accept the new teaching with with the certainly of faith, which must be absolute and preclude even the slightest shadow of doubt.  Before Vatican I, for instance, many rejected papal infallibility, including a couple of approved Catechisms.  But then after the Council, most changed their view and accepted the teaching.  Some, the Old Catholics, persisted in rejecting it, and considered it heretical.  Well, an SV could have just declared Pius IX to be an Anti-Pope and could have written books akin to "Nikita Mastai-Ferretti", where they allege he was a Freemason.

    In any case, no matter what any future pope teaches, could you ever truly have the absolute certainty of faith about it again?  Well, not if in the back of your head there this nagging little "what if .. ", as in "what if he's really an Anti-Pope and this teaching is heretical?".  That's an enormous problem with SVism, at least of the totalist variety.

    With regard to the present Crisis, it's a huge problem for SVism that there's no evidence whatsoever that Montini had been a manifest heretic before he began teaching error at Vatican II.  Nada.  If someone were to uncover something at this point, it would be effectively so obscure that the heresy would have been occult rather than manifest.  Montini was an Archbishop, Roncalli a Cardinal, and nobody was calling them out for manifest heresy BEFORE V2 happened.

    You really do need to have serious doubts PRIOR to when he starts teaching error.  If not, you must accept his teaching and conclude that you were in fact the one who had been in error.

    Let's say we're 10 years into the reign of Pius XII.  No problems up to that point.  But then suddenly he teaches (with the notes of infallibility) something you consider to be grave error, if not heresy.  So you can now declare Pius XII an Anti-Pope and ... problem solved?  With those principles, no dogma is safe and no dogma can preclude some lingering shadow of doubt, since this guy could just be an Anti-Pope.  This is no less harmful to Catholic faith than R&R.  While SVs famously accuse R&R of Magisterium sifting, they can do the same thing, but take it a step further and engage in Pope-Sifting.  In both cases, their private judgment trumps the perceived teaching of a Pope and both put their private judgment as their ultimate rule of faith.

    No, the answer must lie elsewhere.
    Much to think about. I do think a major problem with the majority of SVs is that they hold the possibility of salvation for non-Catholics and BOD to actually be contained in the deposit of faith..when neither are. That's why I think either/both of those scenarios are possible

    They are primed to rally around someone they would call a "true pope" while he preaches a false gospel regarding EENS, as long as he condemns V2, Novus Ordo, etc.

    While simultaneously they could reject a future pope who truly teaches EENS and/or condemns BOD

    The majority of SVs could very well end up participating in the persecution of a true pope, and the clergy and faithful under him
    John 15:19  If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.