Author Topic: Membership In and Visibility of the Church (Read 3027 times)

McCork · « **Reply #5 on:** March 19, 2016, 08:44:08 AM »

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there is no salvation outside the Church, and that non-members of that Church can be saved

You can stop reading here, on the very first sentence.

Apparently that's what you do when you read something, quit before reading something in context, where things are clarified.

A sure sign of someone having a SERIOUS problem with their faith is when they criticize something like the Baltimore Catechism which was approved by Rome and peacefully accepted for generations by the Church. Any boy who ever responded adamantly to one of it's teachings, "I don't like that", would have been looked at immediately as a budding heretic. There are several like that here on this forum.

The Baltimore catechism has errors, which is fact no matter who says otherwise, but this article begins with denying the dogma EENS, which SHOULD be looked upon as heretical by members of the Church.

Thankfully one did not have to read the whole thing before discovering the fraud.

Yes, of course, you think you are smarter than all the popes since it was approved, the whole Catholic world of clergy and laity for generations, including some Saints, particularly St. Pius X who included the same in his catechism, canon law incorporating it...none of them noticed...but you know better!

It's typical for a heretic to have such a mindframe.

Stubborn · « **Reply #6 on:** March 19, 2016, 03:12:16 PM »

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there is no salvation outside the Church, and that non-members of that Church can be saved

You can stop reading here, on the very first sentence.

Apparently that's what you do when you read something, quit before reading something in context, where things are clarified.

A sure sign of someone having a SERIOUS problem with their faith is when they criticize something like the Baltimore Catechism which was approved by Rome and peacefully accepted for generations by the Church. Any boy who ever responded adamantly to one of it's teachings, "I don't like that", would have been looked at immediately as a budding heretic. There are several like that here on this forum.

The Baltimore catechism has errors, which is fact no matter who says otherwise, but this article begins with denying the dogma EENS, which SHOULD be looked upon as heretical by members of the Church.

Thankfully one did not have to read the whole thing before discovering the fraud.

Yes, of course, you think you are smarter than all the popes since it was approved, the whole Catholic world of clergy and laity for generations, including some Saints, particularly St. Pius X who included the same in his catechism, canon law incorporating it...none of them noticed...but you know better!

It's typical for a heretic to have such a mindframe.

LOL - look who is calling who a heretic - you who explicitly reject Our Lord's proposition.

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Can a man enter the Kingdom of God without being born again of water and the Holy Ghost?

Don't pretend as if your question is not based directly on Scripture.

It is obvious from my messages that the answer to your question is "yes".

Error is error no matter where it comes from. The BC, for all the truth it teaches, has a few drops of poison in it - which you naturally slurp right up.

McCork · « **Reply #7 on:** March 19, 2016, 05:45:46 PM »

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there is no salvation outside the Church, and that non-members of that Church can be saved

You can stop reading here, on the very first sentence.

Apparently that's what you do when you read something, quit before reading something in context, where things are clarified.

A sure sign of someone having a SERIOUS problem with their faith is when they criticize something like the Baltimore Catechism which was approved by Rome and peacefully accepted for generations by the Church. Any boy who ever responded adamantly to one of it's teachings, "I don't like that", would have been looked at immediately as a budding heretic. There are several like that here on this forum.

The Baltimore catechism has errors, which is fact no matter who says otherwise, but this article begins with denying the dogma EENS, which SHOULD be looked upon as heretical by members of the Church.

Thankfully one did not have to read the whole thing before discovering the fraud.

Yes, of course, you think you are smarter than all the popes since it was approved, the whole Catholic world of clergy and laity for generations, including some Saints, particularly St. Pius X who included the same in his catechism, canon law incorporating it...none of them noticed...but you know better!

It's typical for a heretic to have such a mindframe.

LOL - look who is calling who a heretic - you who explicitly reject Our Lord's proposition.

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Can a man enter the Kingdom of God without being born again of water and the Holy Ghost?

Don't pretend as if your question is not based directly on Scripture.

It is obvious from my messages that the answer to your question is "yes".

You are evasive when asked direct questions (typical of a heretic), but if I were to ask you now whether the meaning of Scripture is always literal, what would you answer, if you could?

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Error is error no matter where it comes from. The BC, for all the truth it teaches, has a few drops of poison in it - which you naturally slurp right up.

Error harmful, in any way to faith or morals, doesn't come from the Church's magisterium, extraordinary magisterium, or not.

Arvinger · « **Reply #8 on:** March 19, 2016, 06:05:16 PM »

This whole article can be refuted with one sentence from Pope Pius XI:

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Mortalium Animos[/i] (1928)]11. Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors.

This is the Papal interpretation of EENS - to be in the Church you must accept, recognize and obey the succesors of Peter. This completely refutes and rules out "salvation through invincible ignorance", salvation via NSAA, being in the Church without being member of the Church and other modernist attempts to dilute the infallible dogma No Salvation Outside the Church.

McCork · « **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2016, 06:30:53 PM »

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This whole article can be refuted with one sentence from Pope Pius XI:

Quote from: Pope Pius XI, [i
Mortalium Animos[/i] (1928)]11. Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors.

This is the Papal interpretation of EENS - to be in the Church you must accept, recognize and obey the succesors of Peter. This completely refutes and rules out "salvation through invincible ignorance", salvation via NSAA, being in the Church without being member of the Church and other modernist attempts to dilute the infallible dogma No Salvation Outside the Church.

Okay, we got it now. You condemn the Baltimore Catechism. We know where you stand.