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« Reply #55 on: December 18, 2013, 12:23:37 PM »
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Do the Feeneyites realize that at the council of Trent Aquinas' Summa was placed alongside the Bible and yet this is the council that contradicted Aquinas?


Do the Cushingites realize that Saint Thomas Aquinas, the greatest theologian in the history of the Church admitted that he could be wrong about a BOD and that in fact, the Church declared a teaching contrary to his - as such, he was wrong.

Oh wait, look at LOT's signature. He knows all this already yet he embraces his own religion.


Right.  Better to trust those who insist that it is impossible for God to cleanse the soul of sin apart from a human instrument.  


Glad you finally are starting to see your errors.

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« Reply #56 on: December 18, 2013, 01:30:49 PM »
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It is noteworthy that much of the opposition to St. Robert's teaching was discredited by the content of the encyclical Mystici corporis. According to this encyclical, "only those who have received the laver of regeneration and who profess the true faith, and who have neither unhappily separated themselves from the fabric of the Body or been cast out by legitimate authority by reason of most serious offenses are to be numbered as members of the Church." [AAS, XXV, (1943), 202.] Thus it presented the teaching of St. Robert as the doctrine of the Catholic Church, set forth officially by Christ's Vicar on earth. Fenton


Any error here?


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« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2013, 02:11:35 PM »
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It is noteworthy that much of the opposition to St. Robert's teaching was discredited by the content of the encyclical Mystici corporis. According to this encyclical, "only those who have received the laver of regeneration and who profess the true faith, and who have neither unhappily separated themselves from the fabric of the Body or been cast out by legitimate authority by reason of most serious offenses are to be numbered as members of the Church." [AAS, XXV, (1943), 202.] Thus it presented the teaching of St. Robert as the doctrine of the Catholic Church, set forth officially by Christ's Vicar on earth. Fenton


Any error here?


If Mystici Corporis had not been written, Fenton would still believe what the teaching of St. Robert Bellarmine, which Fenton says was discredited. In the future another decree will come out discrediting Fenton and then another theologian will find yet another way to get the round peg in the square hole (making a non-baptized person a quasi- member of the Church), and say

" It is noteworthy that much of the opposition to Fr. Fenton's teaching was discredited by the content of the encyclical Xinthefuture."

And people like you will then quote the new theologian, and discard Fenton, just like you recently discarded St. Robert Bellarmine's teaching.  

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« Reply #58 on: December 18, 2013, 02:14:04 PM »
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It is noteworthy that much of the opposition to St. Robert's teaching was discredited by the content of the encyclical Mystici corporis. According to this encyclical, "only those who have received the laver of regeneration and who profess the true faith, and who have neither unhappily separated themselves from the fabric of the Body or been cast out by legitimate authority by reason of most serious offenses are to be numbered as members of the Church." [AAS, XXV, (1943), 202.] Thus it presented the teaching of St. Robert as the doctrine of the Catholic Church, set forth officially by Christ's Vicar on earth. Fenton


Any error here?


If Mystici Corporis had not been written, Fenton would still believe what the teaching of St. Robert Bellarmine, which Fenton says was discredited. In the future another decree will come out discrediting Fenton and then another theologian will find yet another way to get the round peg in the square hole (making a non-baptized person a quasi- member of the Church), and say

" It is noteworthy that much of the opposition to Fr. Fenton's teaching was discredited by the content of the encyclical Xinthefuture."

And people like you will then quote the new theologian, and discard Fenton.  


You prove that you have no idea what you are talking about.  Fenton teaches the very opposite of what you claim he says of Bellarmine.  You either do not read or do not understand.  Bellarmine was dead on but was misunderstood.  That is what Fenton teaches.  

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« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2013, 05:04:15 AM »
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In the first place, any close examination of the text itself will show very clearly that St. Robert never intended to formulate any essential definition of the only true Church of Jesus Christ in the second chapter of his De ecclesia militante. Throughout the entire chapter, and, for that matter throughout the eight subsequent chapters, St. Robert is concerned only with conditions requisite for membership in the one true Church. His definition of the Church is a description of this society in terms of the minimum requirements for membership in it. It was never intended to be anything else. Fenton


People so readily misunderstand and misinterpret things.  Those with a containable ego and pride are able to take the blinders off so they can look at cogent teaching objectively and learn a thing or to, finally realizing that maybe they were actually wrong about something.  But again the blinders which make them see only their view and that trusts only their intellect and interpretation of things in contradistinction to the great giants of the Church must be taken off.  Some never have taken them off, are not taking them off, and never will take them off perhaps to their own destruction.  Others never had them on in the first place and are fertile ground for truth, nor with the put them on later.  Others, not having the egotistical and prideful glasses on to begin with, put them on when they learn something that makes them feel smarter than the rest.

Pride often is at the root of heresy, stemming from those who believe they know better than the rest.