Author Topic: Membership in and Visibility of the Church (Read 6229 times)

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #50 on:** December 18, 2013, 11:00:27 AM »

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Is it impossible for God to cleanse the soul of sin without the instrumentality of a human?

From Stubborn:
Yes or course - if you have faith, this is easily understood.

My response:

Mind boggling. Wow! I have proven the irrationality of the Feeneyite mindset.

I rest my case your honor.

I hope you wake up one of these days LOT - I really do. But so long as you keep running away from the truth, the farther you will get from the truth, the more you will despise the truth - you have no hope of finding the truth while you continue to run from it.

This Remedy [the Sacrament of Penance] To Be Used

The faithful, therefore, having formed a just conception of the dignity of so excellent and exalted a blessing, should be exhorted to profit by it to the best of their ability. For he who makes no use of what is really useful *and necessary* must be supposed to despise it; particularly since, in communicating to the Church the power of forgiving sin, the Lord did so with the view that all should have recourse to this healing remedy. As without Baptism no one can be cleansed, so in order to recover the grace of Baptism, forfeited by actual mortal guilt, recourse must be had to another means of expiation, -- namely, the Sacrament of Penance.

So it is assumed that those for whom Confession is impossible "despise" it?

No, read what it says for a change. If you did that, you would understand that since you preach the sacrament is not really a necessity, the Church teaches that we are to suppose that you and Fenton and whoever else is in your sect all despise the sacrament.

Read what it says.

Fenton, Aquinas, Ligori, Bellarmine all understood the Sacrament better than you Stubborn. You will have to come to grips with this fact eventually. And yes, as unfathomable as this is to you, that fact is that the Church teaches Baptism of desire and does not trivialize the sacraments. The don't pit one fact to the elimination of others. They fully comprehend the truth and have asserted it most eloquently. Mosignor Fenton has read the entire compendium of the Church's teaching on the issue and materfully has put it all together for us, lauding the praises of Bellarmine and all the Popes who spoke to the issue. Why does he promote what the Popes teach on the issue at the risk of scandalizing Stubborn. Because he was obliged to teach the truth and defend the Faith against all errors no matter how pleasing they are to some's sensibilities.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #51 on:** December 18, 2013, 11:03:13 AM »

Anything false about the below statement?

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During the first half of our century there were some notable efforts to challenge St. Robert's teaching "that there is only one Church, and not two." Some rather fashionable writers in the field of sacred theology tried to prove the coexistence of an in visible Church along with the visible one. Others, while not explicitly denying the essential visibility of the true Church, held that the boundaries of this society are quite indistinct and thus, by implication, tried to rob the concept of visibility of much of its meaning. Still others were repelled by the forthrightness of St. Robert's teaching, and tried to show that some sort of true and sincere faith was actually necessary for membership in the true Church. Fenton

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #52 on:** December 18, 2013, 11:30:26 AM »

Do the Feeneyites realize that at the council of Trent Aquinas' Summa was placed alongside the Bible and yet this is the council that contradicted Aquinas?

Stubborn · « **Reply #53 on:** December 18, 2013, 11:51:46 AM »

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Do the Feeneyites realize that at the council of Trent Aquinas' Summa was placed alongside the Bible and yet this is the council that contradicted Aquinas?

Do the Cushingites realize that Saint Thomas Aquinas, the greatest theologian in the history of the Church admitted that he could be wrong about a BOD and that in fact, the Church declared a teaching contrary to his - as such, he was wrong.

Oh wait, look at LOT's signature. He knows all this already yet he embraces his own religion.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #54 on:** December 18, 2013, 12:04:59 PM »

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Do the Feeneyites realize that at the council of Trent Aquinas' Summa was placed alongside the Bible and yet this is the council that contradicted Aquinas?

Do the Cushingites realize that Saint Thomas Aquinas, the greatest theologian in the history of the Church admitted that he could be wrong about a BOD and that in fact, the Church declared a teaching contrary to his - as such, he was wrong.

Oh wait, look at LOT's signature. He knows all this already yet he embraces his own religion.

Right. Better to trust those who insist that it is impossible for God to cleanse the soul of sin apart from a human instrument.