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Author Topic: Ludwig Ott implicitly refutes Baptism of Desire  (Read 13059 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Ludwig Ott implicitly refutes Baptism of Desire
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2018, 02:55:40 PM »
Quote from: RomanTheo on April 21, 2018, 08:51:56 AM
Nothing in the citation you quote from Ott implicitly refutes the Church's doctrine concerning baptism of desire. 

There is no doctrine of the Church regarding Baptism of Desire.  Baptism of Desire is nothing more than a piece of speculative theology that the Church has tolerated for some period of time.

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Ludwig Ott implicitly refutes Baptism of Desire
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2018, 02:56:55 PM »
Quote from: RomanTheo on April 21, 2018, 02:03:51 PM
The Douay Catechism (1649):
 
Question: Can a man be saved without baptism?
 

Answer: He cannot, unless he have it either actual or in desire, with contrition, or to be baptized in his blood as the holy Innocents were, which suffered for Christ.

Theologically fault.  Holy Innocents died before the Sacrament of Baptism was instituted and therefore could not have received Baptism either in voto or in re.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Ludwig Ott implicitly refutes Baptism of Desire
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2018, 02:57:50 PM »
Quote from: RomanTheo on April 21, 2018, 02:03:51 PM
Catechism of Pius X:
 
Question: Can the absence of Baptism be supplied in any other way?
 
Answer: The absence of Baptism can be supplied by martyrdom, which is called Baptism of Blood, or by an act of perfect love of God, or of contrition, along with the desire, at least implicit, of Baptism, and this is called Baptism of Desire.

Self-contradictory.  Prior to this passage, the Catechism states that the SACRAMENT if ABSOLUTELY necessary for salvation.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Ludwig Ott implicitly refutes Baptism of Desire
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2018, 02:59:08 PM »
Quote from: RomanTheo on April 21, 2018, 01:50:59 PM
Pius XII: “In the case of other, more necessary sacraments, when the minister is lacking, he can be supplied through the force of divine mercy, which will forego even external signs in order to bring grace to the heart. To the catechumen who has no one to pour water on his head, to the sinner who can find no one to absolve him, a loving God will accord, out of their desire and love, the grace which makes them His friends and children even without Baptism or actual confession.”

That was his opinion, and it is wrong ... just like his opinion on NFP, evolution, ecuмenical gatherings, and liturgical experimentation.
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Re: Ludwig Ott implicitly refutes Baptism of Desire
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2018, 03:33:37 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on April 21, 2018, 02:59:08 PM
That was his opinion, and it is wrong ...

"Ladislaus locuta est causa finita est."

Can you name any theologian from the 19th or 20th century who rejects BOD?  
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