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Offline Ladislaus

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LoT's Crusade
« on: August 01, 2017, 09:02:35 AM »
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    • LoT, do you know that you're actually doing a great service to our defense of Catholic ecclesiology, soteriology, and Sacramental theology by posting here?  I've had several people PM me to let me know that I've helped open their eyes on this issue ... because my responses to you were so strong and so convincing.

    In fact, it's very easy.  Your grasp of theology and even basic logic are so poor that anyone with even a slight training can rip you to shreds.

    So, while you think you might be doing your cause a service by posting here, you're actually hurting your cause.  You may want to rethink what you're doing.
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    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    • "Lord, have mercy."
    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #1 on: August 01, 2017, 05:37:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 01, 2017, 09:02:35 AM
    LoT, do you know that you're actually doing a great service to our defense of Catholic ecclesiology, soteriology, and Sacramental theology by posting here?  I've had several people PM me to let me know that I've helped open their eyes on this issue ... because my responses to you were so strong and so convincing.

    In fact, it's very easy.  Your grasp of theology and even basic logic are so poor that anyone with even a slight training can rip you to shreds.

    So, while you think you might be doing your cause a service by posting here, you're actually hurting your cause.  You may want to rethink what you're doing.
    "…every idle word…" Speaking of basics, esp. those prescribed as both innoculation and remedy for these sorts of things by numerous popes, wouldn't time and effort be better spent on, for example, a dedicated thread on Scholastic Philosophy? de Poissy is free on archive.org. "Teach a man to fish" 
    With all due, these sorts of places tend to become an exercise in sophistic and rhetorical weed-wacking. Seemslike with a slight shift of fires they could be pulled up or denied fertile terrain to begin with. Prevention/preemption over cure. Make any sense? Yea/nay?
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    Offline Lover of Truth

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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #2 on: August 03, 2017, 07:30:57 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 01, 2017, 09:02:35 AM
    LoT, do you know that you're actually doing a great service to our defense of Catholic ecclesiology, soteriology, and Sacramental theology by posting here?  I've had several people PM me to let me know that I've helped open their eyes on this issue ... because my responses to you were so strong and so convincing.

    In fact, it's very easy.  Your grasp of theology and even basic logic are so poor that anyone with even a slight training can rip you to shreds.

    So, while you think you might be doing your cause a service by posting here, you're actually hurting your cause.  You may want to rethink what you're doing.
    If this is the case you why are you telling me? 
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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #3 on: August 03, 2017, 07:32:44 AM »
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    • St. Recipicius, Nov 10, p. 1095: “During the reign of the emperor Decius, as Tryphon was preaching the faith of Jesus Christ and striving to persuade all men to worship the Lord, he was arrested by the henchmen of Decius. First, he was tortured on the rack, his flesh torn with iron hooks, then hung head downward, his feet pierced with red hot nails. He was beaten by clubs, scorched by burning torches held against his body. As a result of seeing him endure all these tortures so courageously, the tribune Respicius was converted to the faith of Christ the Lord. Upon the spot he publicly declared himself to be a Christian. Respicius was then tortured in various ways, and toggether with Tryphon, dragged to a statue of Jupiter. As Tryphon prayed, the statue fell down. After this occurredboth were mercilessly beaten with leaden tipped whips and thus attained to glorious martyrdom.”

    And as we know some feeneyites insist that they could not have been saved because no water was poured on their head.  :barf:
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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #4 on: August 03, 2017, 07:59:24 AM »
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    • How do you know that no water was poured?  Just because the account doesn't specifically say so, how do you know it didn't happen?  And how do we know that he wasn't a fallen away and already baptized - but then stepped forward and declared? What about all the accounts of miraculous water that God brings forth when baptism is necessary?  How about Sts. Peter and Paul in the Mamertine Prison - a spring came up there so they could baptize the guards they had converted.    

    "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he shall not enter into the kingdom" - Jesus Christ


    And Monsignor Cassano who declared Fr. Feeney's Bread of Life book free of errors, how about him LoT?  

    You are kicking against the goad.  You have maligned and calumniated him by calling him a mason when he isn't.  

    Keep running, "Lover" of Truth... 
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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #5 on: August 03, 2017, 08:03:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Merry on August 03, 2017, 07:59:24 AM
    How do you know that no water was poured?  Just because the account doesn't specifically say so, how do you know it didn't happen?  And how do we know that he wasn't a fallen away and already baptized - but then stepped forward and declared? What about all the accounts of miraculous water that God brings forth when baptism is necessary?  How about Sts. Peter and Paul in the Mamertine Prison - a spring came up there so they could baptize the guards they had converted.    

    "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he shall not enter into the kingdom" - Jesus Christ


    And Monsignor Cassano who declared Fr. Feeney's Bread of Life book free of errors, how about him LoT?  

    You are kicking against the goad.  You have maligned and calumniated him by calling him a mason when he isn't.  

    Keep running, "Lover" of Truth...
    That is a double edge sword that shows the desperateness of the feeneyites.  How do you know it was?  The Church assumes it was not in her official liturgy and in the official account.  Your beef is with the Church not me.  Please gain the humility to accept this.  All the theologians, Fathers, Saints, Doctors, Popes cannot be wrong on the same issue but Feeney can be.  
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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #6 on: August 03, 2017, 08:04:00 AM »
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    • Baltimore Catechism (19th and 20th centuries): Q. 653. Is Baptism of desire or of blood sufficient to produce the effects of Baptism of water? A. Baptism of desire or of blood is sufficient to produce the effects of the Baptism of water, if it is impossible to receive the Baptism of water. 

    Q. 512. How are such persons said to belong to the Church? A. Such persons are said to belong to the "soul of the church"; that is, they are really members of the Church without knowing it. Those who share in its Sacraments and worship are said to belong to the body or visible part of the Church.

    [Note: The Baltimore Catechism was issued by the Third Council of Baltimore in 1884, and was approved by Pope Leo XIII in 1885 as the standard for Catholic schools in the United States, where it remained the standard for nearly a century. Even after extreme scrutiny and corrections after being published, the content on the threefold baptism has remained in the catechism to this day.]
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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #7 on: August 03, 2017, 08:15:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 03, 2017, 07:32:44 AM
    St. Recipicius, Nov 10, p. 1095: ...

    Now you're trying to derail this thread off topic with your spam.  That's just nasty boorish forum behavior.  You need to respect the topic of the thread as established by the OP.  It's one thing for you to spam stuff into your own threads.  If you try to pull this garbage again on this or any other thread that I start, Matthew will hear about it.
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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #8 on: August 03, 2017, 08:18:49 AM »
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    • Feeneyites think the official teaching of the Church is spam:

    Catholic Encyclopedia (~1913): Baptism: Substitutes for the Sacrament: “The Fathers and theologians frequently divide baptism into three kinds: the baptism of water (aquæ or fluminis), the baptism of desire (flaminis), and the baptism of blood (sanguinis). However, only the first is a real sacrament. The latter two are denominated baptism only analogically, inasmuch as they supply the principal effect of baptism, namely, the grace which remits sins. It is the teaching of the Catholic Church that when the baptism of water becomes a physical or moral impossibility, eternal life may be obtained by the baptism of desire or the baptism of blood.”

    Baptism: The Baptism of Desire: “This doctrine is set forth clearly by the Council of Trent. In the fourteenth session (cap. iv) the council teaches that contrition is sometimes perfected by charity, and reconciles man to God, before the Sacrament of Penance is received. In the fourth chapter of the sixth session, in speaking of the necessity of baptism, it says that men can not obtain original justice "except by the washing of regeneration or its desire" (voto).

    The Church: "Thus, even in the case in which God Saves men apart from the Church, He does so through the Church's graces. They are joined to the Church in spiritual communion, though not in visible and external communion. In the expression of theologians, they belong to the soul of the Church, though not to its body."
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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #9 on: August 03, 2017, 08:19:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 03, 2017, 07:32:44 AM
    And as we know some feeneyites insist that they could not have been saved because no water was poured on their head.  :barf:

    I have had just about enough of your vile blasphemies.  You deride the water that Our Lord established as the matter for this Sacrament.  In the Sacred Liturgy and among the Church Fathers, they absolutely REVERE the water because Our Lord chose it to be the instrument of our salvation.  You are a filthy vile scuм.  You've insulted the Church and Our Lord.  If I knew where you lived, I'd go to your house and beat the crap out of your filthy blaspheming mouth ... no differently that if you were to insult my mother to my face.
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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #10 on: August 03, 2017, 08:20:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 03, 2017, 08:18:49 AM
    Feeneyites think the official teaching of the Church is spam:

    Idiot.  What you're doing is spamming -- it has nothing to do with the contents of what you're spamming.

    I dare you to PM me your home address.
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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #11 on: August 03, 2017, 08:21:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 03, 2017, 08:18:49 AM
    Feeneyites think the official teaching of the Church is spam:

    Get off my thread immediately.
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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #12 on: August 03, 2017, 08:32:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on August 03, 2017, 08:20:41 AM
    Idiot.  What you're doing is spamming -- it has nothing to do with the contents of what you're spamming.

    I dare you to PM me your home address.
    This is the typical defense of the Feeneyites against their errors when they are stifled.  Two-year-old's get their way when they fall into a fit sometimes. Maybe it will work with an adult who has a temper-tantrum.  
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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #13 on: August 03, 2017, 08:38:47 AM »
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    • The Monsignor, LoT.   
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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #14 on: August 03, 2017, 08:39:20 AM »
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    • It's about me.  He said I was helping his cause by posting.  But this does not really seem to be the case does it?
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church
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