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Offline Lover of Truth

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Re: LoT's Crusade
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2017, 08:41:16 AM »
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  • Canon Law (1917)Canon 737: “Baptism, the door and foundation of the Sacraments, in fact or at least in desire necessary unto salvation for all, is not validly conferred except through the ablution of true and natural water with the prescribed form of words.”

    Canon 1239: “Those who have died without baptism are not to be given ecclesiastical burial. Catechumens who die without baptism through no fault of their own are to be counted among the baptized.”
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #16 on: August 03, 2017, 08:42:32 AM »
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  • The Monsignor - Lover of Calumny....
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"


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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #17 on: August 03, 2017, 08:48:32 AM »
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  • You can see the feeneyites true stripes when confronted repeatedly with truth:

    A Commentary on the New Code of Canon Law (Augustine, 1918)Canon 737: "The Church has ever taught that Baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation, - either really or by desire - and that consequently no other sacrament can be validly received without it."

    Canon 1239: "Baptism may be received by desire - baptismus flaminis - and this is generally supposed in those who had received instructions in the faith (catechumens)." [Note: "baptismus flaminis" is Latin for "baptism of desire"] 

    Canon 2258: "The relation of the individual Catholic to the body of the Church is sometimes styled external communion, whilst his connection with the soul of the Church is called internal communion. This latter communion is not per se severed by excommunication, as grace and charity can not be taken away by the penal sword of the Church, but are lost only through grievous personal guilt. And as this guilt can be repaired by perfect contrition, it may happen that one is excommunicated and yet lives in the friendship of God. Besides, faith and hope may coexist with mortal sin."
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #18 on: August 03, 2017, 08:53:17 AM »
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  • More Spam......plain and simple.

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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #19 on: August 03, 2017, 08:57:33 AM »
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  • More Spam......plain and simple.
    Undermining the messenger of truth's positing of Catholic teaching with false accusations.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #20 on: August 03, 2017, 09:35:08 AM »
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  • More Spam......plain and simple.

    Yes, I'm going to have to take this take this up with Matthew again.  It's one thing if this rectal orifice wants to spam his own threads, quite another to go one someone else's thread and spam it up with off-topic cut-and-paste jobs.

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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #21 on: August 03, 2017, 09:39:55 AM »
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  • Mention that you do not want me to post on a thread about me and that you call me idiot and moron among other things.  And that I post only Catholic teaching.  If this is enough to get one banned I don't want to be here.  

    Pope Pius XII (Oct. 29, 1951)Address to the Congress of the Italian Catholic Association of Midwives: "If what We have said up to now deals with the protection and the care of natural life, it should hold all the more in regard to the supernatural life which the newly born infant receives with Baptism. In the present economy there is no other way of communicating this life to the child who has not yet the use of reason. But, nevertheless, the state of grace at the moment of death is absolutely necessary for salvation. Without it, it is not possible to attain supernatural happiness, the beatific vision of God. An act of love can suffice for an adult to obtain sanctifying grace and supply for the absence of Baptism; for the unborn child or for the newly born, this way is not open..."
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #22 on: August 03, 2017, 10:15:35 AM »
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  • Mention that you do not want me to post on a thread about me and that you call me idiot and moron among other things.  And that I post only Catholic teaching.  If this is enough to get one banned I don't want to be here.

    I said for you to stop SPAMMING my thread with off-topic garbage.  If you want to respond to the charge that you are a moron and/or idiot and/or heretic and/or blasphemer, then you are free to do so.

    But stop this spam -- it's the sign of a serious mental disorder.


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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #23 on: August 03, 2017, 10:29:58 AM »
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  • This we see clearly stated in the Sacred Council of Trent  - says “Lover of Truth.”  Well, how about THIS from Trent -


    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.      -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

     

    - Even Our Lady had to be baptized.  Though not needing it to remove Original Sin, she of course being free from it, IN ORDER TO RECEIVE THE OTHER SACRAMENTS, she had to receive the Sacrament of Baptism - by water.  And so do we.
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #24 on: August 03, 2017, 10:57:33 AM »
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  • Looking over this thread I am confused as usual!  Why is it Lad when you started this thread you included his name in the Title, yet you demand he does not post as well as some of your peanut gallery.  ( by peanut gallery meaning childish)
    As defined: a group of people who criticize someone, often by focusing on insignificant details.

    I would think that inserting anothers username would be an invitation, am I wrong on that point?

    Just curious!

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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #25 on: August 03, 2017, 10:59:53 AM »
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  • Looking over this thread I am confused as usual!  Why is it Lad when you started this thread you included his name in the Title, yet you demand he does not post as well as some of your peanut gallery.  

    I would think that inserting anothers username would be an invitation, am I wrong on that point?

    Just curious!

    anyone!

    I did not demand that he not post in general.  I insisted that he stop posting irrelevant off-topic spam in order to destroy / derail my thread.  It's basic forum etiquette all over the internet.  If he wants to respond on topic, that's perfectly acceptable.  But he's pasting in generic BoD quotes that have nothing to do with this thread.  I only told him to get off this thread immediately after he refused to abide by my request that he stop spamming generic BoD quotes into this thread.



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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #26 on: August 03, 2017, 11:04:46 AM »
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  • Looking over this thread I am confused as usual!  Why is it Lad when you started this thread you included his name in the Title, yet you demand he does not post as well as some of your peanut gallery.  ( by peanut gallery meaning childish)

    I would think that inserting anothers username would be an invitation, am I wrong on that point?

    Just curious!

    anyone!
    The patently obvious is obscure to these people.  Actually my guess is it is a plan by Ladislaus.  He has tried this before. He is a defeated man and turns into the poor little boy on the playground and tells the teacher hey is being bullied.  He starts a thread with my name on it on purpose, KNOWING I will respond and then cry to Matthew that I'm derailing his thread.  Perfect for the underhanded.  These is a feeneyite forum and I'm posting on feeneyism.  This is what you are dealing with when dealing with the feeneyites. 
    He also smugly said my post were convincing others against me and proving him right and then starts crying about my posts.  His actions contradict his words, but I don't think we should be surprised.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #27 on: August 03, 2017, 11:08:34 AM »
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  • LoT, do you know that you're actually doing a great service to our defense of Catholic ecclesiology, soteriology, and Sacramental theology by posting here?  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #28 on: August 03, 2017, 11:59:41 AM »
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  • Looking over this thread I am confused as usual!  Why is it Lad when you started this thread you included his name in the Title, yet you demand he does not post as well as some of your peanut gallery.  ( by peanut gallery meaning childish)
    As defined: a group of people who criticize someone, often by focusing on insignificant details.

    I would think that inserting anothers username would be an invitation, am I wrong on that point?

    Just curious!

    anyone!
    Yes, well, the red letters above are really LoT's.  My post was supposed to go elsewhere, not on this thread - but I was interrupted by the this website's software alert telling me not to post yet as someone else had posted something new and perhaps it should be checked.  In the going back and forth, my post above ended up here, instead of where it should have been placed.  Childish?  Childlike, it is hoped.  Mea culpa.
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: LoT's Crusade
    « Reply #29 on: August 03, 2017, 12:08:51 PM »
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  • He also smugly said my post were convincing others against me and proving him right and then starts crying about my posts.  His actions contradict his words, but I don't think we should be surprised.

    Your thick brain is utterly incapable of rational thought or logical distinctions.  I am complaining about your SPAM behavior, where you pick one of your favorite little theological pieces, and paste it in one paragraph at a time, post after post after post.  I am not complaining about your posting in general.  I am complaining about this specific behavior.  But you are playing with a single digit IQ and cannot comprehend this ... or any other ... distinction.  In addition, I can't stop you from doing this spamming nonsense on your own threads, but it's a violation of universal forum etiquette to go onto someone ELSE's thread and pollute it this way, derailing the main point under discussion.  That is the very specific behavior to which I object.  In fact, Matthew, who's no friend of "Feeneyites", similarly reprimanded you for this kind of thing.  You were even more wild back then.  You would start about ten threads per day and paste these huge articles into them so that everything else in a forum or sub-forum got squeezed down to the bottom ... rendering it useless for anyone who doesn't want to read your stupid articles (which were 99.999% of CI members).  He restricted you to one such spam thread per day.  Now you're pulling this same crap in other people's threads, and you need to stop it.