Author Topic: Limbo & Baptism? (Read 25202 times)

CMMM · « **Reply #40 on:** September 05, 2009, 01:09:41 AM »

Lot's of people are heretics. I don't bother with pronouncing them to be, nor do I bother deciding if they are formal or material, nor do I damn them. It's not my job. I typically avoid those whom I feel are a danger to my faith, otherwise I will tolerate them so I can hopefully demonstrate through example, though I have my shortcomings, as we all do.

As for the quote from Pope Innocent, it's fallible. To pull a trick from your bag, it's no more binding than the quote I provided some time back endorsing the catechism as the source for teaching proper Catholicism.

If it is infallible, what a blessing for Benedict, he is being judged so much by yourself, I doubt God will judge him at all! :roll-laugh1:

All joking aside, you have to prove still that you are understanding each decree as it was originally declared, and that Benedict is contradicting them. We are not to 'understand them as children' or in an 'objective sense', we are to understand them as they were once declared, and that is why the church maintains that meaning, not you average lay person.

CMMM · « **Reply #41 on:** September 05, 2009, 01:10:34 AM »

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not you average lay person.

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CM · « **Reply #42 on:** September 05, 2009, 02:03:14 AM »

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As for the quote from Pope Innocent, it's fallible. To pull a trick from your bag, it's no more binding than the quote I provided some time back endorsing the catechism as the source for teaching proper Catholicism.

Okay, sure. You still have Pope Leo XIII to deal with, who tells you that the man you follow is not a pope.

Besides, any teaching of the pope in his fallible capacity as teacher of the faithful that does not lead sin and is not heretical is to be obeyed and believed, until it is overruled by the Extraordinary Magisterium.

When a person publicly teaches contrary to this Magisterium, it is clear that he is not pope.

CMMM · « **Reply #43 on:** September 05, 2009, 02:10:36 AM »

Quote from: Catholic Martyr

If laypeople cannot know the truth from reading the decrees for themselves, then they have to follow a 'pope' even when he teaches heresy, because they have to admit that "Maybe it isn't heresy after all."

Just a question...

Can you show a previous anti-pope who was deposed for being a heretic? Can you show a previous anti-pope who was discovered a heretic and pronounced an anti-pope for it?

Quote from: St. Alphonsus

We ought rightly to presume as Cardinal Bellarmine declares, that God will never let it happen that a Roman Pontiff, even as a private person, becomes a public heretic or an occult heretic.

CM · « **Reply #44 on:** September 05, 2009, 05:29:57 AM »

No. And why is that? Because no pope in the history of the Church was publicly heretical. So starting with Benedict XV, we have had an UNPRECEDENTED situation in the history of the world.

I find it quite interesting, though not surprising, that you use quotes from a saint against quotes from a pope.

Do you not realize (actually, I'm almost certain you do) that I could just as easily pull a bunch of quotes from saints and theologians that support the sedevacantist position?

Author Topic: Limbo &amp; Baptism? (Read 25202 times)

Author Topic: Limbo & Baptism? (Read 25202 times)