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Limbo & Baptism?
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2009, 12:12:31 PM »

Limbo & Baptism?
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2009, 12:13:22 PM »
Quote from: C.M.M.M
Jehanne, Catholic Martyr has his own unique theology which I'm sure he'll share with you shortly, but you'll find most of it a few pages back on this forum.

Basically, Thomas was not a heretic because his though was not condemned until after his death.

(In fact, I believe it was never condemned at all, but CM will clarify.)


Of course not!  Saint Thomas is the Church's greatest theologian, a canonized Saint, and a Doctor of the Church!  Trent laid his Summa on the high altar, along with Sacred Scripture and the Canons of the Church.


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Limbo & Baptism?
« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2009, 03:50:45 PM »
You folks still do not understand.  If Moses stood before you and said "Baptism of desire and limbo are true."  Would you believe it?  Probably.  But then if Jesus Christ stood before you and said "No, they are false."  You would all take Moses' word over Christ's because that is what this is.

You are all taking the word of Saint Thomas and others over the clear, simple and unambiguous words of God the Holt Ghost.

Limbo & Baptism?
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2009, 04:25:16 PM »
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You are all taking the word of Saint Thomas and others over the clear, simple and unambiguous words of God the Holy Ghost.


So clear that there has been no real disputation of Baptism by Blood or Desire until Father Feeney.

So clear that no Pope has ever censured the Summa, or Alphonsus Ligouri.

Clear as mud?

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Limbo & Baptism?
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2009, 04:50:28 PM »
Quote from: C.M.M.M.
Clear as mud?


Blasphemy?


Which part is unlcear to you?

Quote from: Cantate Domino
It firmly believes, professes and preaches that


Does this part require interpretation?  No, I don't think so.  The Church is proclaiming authoritatively a dogma.

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all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Catholic Church before the end of their lives;


Where is the need for interpretation?  Where is the lack of clarity?  Where is the ambiguity?  Does it or does it not say ALL?  Does it or does it not say FIRE?

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that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do the Church's sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal rewards;


I still am waiting to see what part needs to be interpreted, in this clear truth fallen from heaven.

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and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed his blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.


Gee willikers, C.M.M.M., what can you possibly take from the objective sense of these words, other than the position I hold?