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Quote from: Merry on September 14, 2017, 10:24:31 AM

Odd thing:
I've keyword site mined that others are asserting LoLies has said and I ~have read (at least similar) as well, and what I keep getting are blank entries from LoLies.

Someone else care to try?


Ooo, I don't know about that.  You lumped us in with murderers, and pedophiles, and a few other things, like Masons.
And you still calumniated Monsignor Cassano.  
Fr. Feeney was the best kind of Jesuit.  He called out T. de Chardin at a conference when he was speaking heresy, accused him of it to his face, and left the room.  He converted Dr. Paul Dudley White of Boston to the Faith. And many Jews, also.
And all you can come up with your FENTONITE stuff - and "yuck."
You embarrass yourself and as a mouthpiece of the modernist anti-Feeney's, you embarrass them, too.  

Never said that.  

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In the years I've known this site, I've never heard of someone to level THAT sort of accusation. It's a good thing banter is electric, because where I'm from LoH prossibly wouldn't leave with his teeth, whether they are dentures or not already.
Seriously, if any of you folks know exactly which post he says that in, click the report button already! I know the Moderators don't watch the BoD thread novellas, but LoH should go. If Sedevacantists can get the boot for heresy/making dogma that doesn't exist, this nut job can too since there seems to be enough incriminating evidence against him.

Never said that. 
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Re: People needing baptism, raised from the dead, etc.
« Reply #65 on: August 21, 2017, 14:06:52 »

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Kinda like a pair of old slippers after a while. Of course if this were so sure, certain other conclusion hoppers would be vindicated as well.

Hey, I MUST be going gangbusters as well. "I'd like to thank the Academy…"

The world would be a much better place if there were no schismatics, sodomites, feeneyites, pedophiles, heretics or apostates. 

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The world would be a much better place if there were no schismatics, sodomites, feeneyites, pedophiles, heretics or apostates.  

  In other words, there is no reason apart from the positive will of God why a washing with water performed while the person administering the sacrament is uttering a definite formula should be necessary for the attainment of the Beatific Vision. There is no reason apart from the positive will of God why a man who is guilty of mortal sin committed after baptism cannot have this sin forgiven except by means of a judicial absolution pronounced by an authorized priest. Neither the baptism nor the sacrament of penance is by its nature part of the supernatural life itself in the way that sanctifying grace and charity are. Fenton

8b. The Suprema haec sacra then brings out the fact that, in the merciful designs of God's providence, such realities as the Church itself and the sacraments of baptism and penance can, under certain circuмstances, bring about the effects which they are meant to produce as means necessary for the attainment of eternal salvation when a man possesses them only in the sense that he desires or intends or wills to have or to use them. Obviously the text cannot be understood unless we realize what the "certain circuмstances" mentioned in the text really are. Fenton

As the text of the Suprema haec sacra reminds us toward the end of its doctrinal section, the desire or intention of using the means established by God can be effective for the attainment of eternal salvation only when this act of the will is enlightened by true supernatural divine faith and animated by genuine charity. This, of course, holds true, not only for the intention of entering the Church, but also for the desire of the sacraments of baptism and penance - which desire may suffice for the forgiveness of sin when the sacraments themselves are not available. Fenton

(10) Previous paragraphs of the Holy Office letter had brought out the validity of two distinctions, long contained in the traditional works of Catholic theology, but never before stated so explicitly in an authoritative docuмent of the Holy See. The first was the distinction between the necessity of means and the necessity of precept. The second was the distinction of belonging to the Church in re and in voto. This second distinction is used, in theology and in the text of the Suprema haec sacra, in explaining how the Church is a means genuinely necessary for all men for the attainment of eternal salvation. Fenton

It is to be noted here that, according to the language of the Suprema haec sacra and of all the other authoritative docuмents which have dealt with this matter, the desire of entering the Church does not give a man anything like "a real though incomplete membership in the Church." [Cf. Henry St. John, O.P., Essays in Christian Unity: 1928-1954 (Westminster, Maryland: The Newman Press, 1955), p. 139.] Those who, like Father St. John, speak in this way, simply fail to take the meaning of the expressions in the Church's docuмents into consideration. A man who intends or wills to enter the Church is really not a member of it in any way whatsoever. If he were already a member, his desire would be absurd. Fenton