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Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
« Reply #105 on: September 07, 2017, 09:27:56 AM »
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  • St. Ambrose, Church Father and Doctor of the Church (4th Century)From his writing "De obitu Valentiniani consolatio": "But I hear that you are distressed because he did not receive the sacrament of baptism. Tell me, what attribute do we have besides our will, our intention? Yet, a short time ago he had this desire that before he came to Italy he should be initiated [baptized], and he indicated that he wanted to be baptized as soon as possible by myself. Did he not, therefore, have that grace which he desired? Did he not have what he asked for? Undoubtedly because he asked for it he received it."
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #106 on: September 07, 2017, 09:28:16 AM »
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  • Ladislaus does not cease calling the repeated teaching of the Fathers, Saints, Doctors and Popes into question 

    Another calumnious generalization.  I disagree with some of the opinions held by some of these Fathers.  And the Fathers disagree with one another on these issues.  Disagreeing with one or another particular opinion is not "calling [them] into question".  At another time you accused Feeneyites of "hating" Trent ... when we simply have a different interpretation of it than you do -- and none of us "hates" Trent.


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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #107 on: September 07, 2017, 09:29:26 AM »
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  • Nor does the mystery of regeneration exist at all without water: 'For unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom.' - Saint Ambrose (De Mysteriis,-The Divine Office).
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #108 on: September 07, 2017, 09:30:24 AM »
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  • St. Pope Siricius (4th Century): Letter to Himerius, 385: 


    This quote SUPPORTS the Feeneyite position.  Only a completely dishonest fool would interpret this to be an endorsement of BoD.  He explicitly states that the Sacrament must be provided to those who are in danger of death lest they go to hell while desiring the Sacrament.

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #109 on: September 07, 2017, 09:31:49 AM »
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  • St. Cyril of Jerusalem, Doctor of the Church (4th Century)First Catechetical Lecture Of Our Holy Father Cyril, Archbishop of Jerusalem, To Those Who Are to Be Enlightened, Delivered Extempore at Jerusalem, As an Introductory Lecture To Those Who Had Come Forward for Baptism, Lecture III on Baptism: "If any man receive not Baptism, he hath not salvation; except only Martyrs, who even without the water receive the kingdom. For when the Saviour, in redeeming the world by His Cross, was pierced in the side, He shed forth blood and water; that men, living in times of peace, might be baptized in water, and, in times of persecution, in their own blood. For martyrdom also the Saviour is wont to call a baptism, saying, Can ye drink rite cup which I drink, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?

    Lecture XIII: "For since in the Gospels the power of salutary Baptism is twofold, one which is granted by means of water to the illuminated, and a second to holy martyrs, in persecutions, through their own blood, there came out of that saving Side blood and water, to confirm the grace of the confession made for Christ, whether in baptism, or on occasions of martyrdom."
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #110 on: September 07, 2017, 09:32:06 AM »
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  • Ladislaus ... calumniates the revered Father Fenton who did everything who could to prevent Vatican 2 from preaching error.  This is a lowlife scuмmy tactic of one who is beaten, a non-Catholic who hates truth.

    Lover of Heresy calumniates me as calumniating Fenton when I did nothing more than paste in a direct quote from his own diaries (without comment) about how Vatican II improved Catholic ecclesiology.  So now directly quoting a person without any other commentary qualifies as "calumny".

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #111 on: September 07, 2017, 09:33:08 AM »
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  • What a pathetic little childish pissant this guy is.

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #112 on: September 07, 2017, 09:33:12 AM »
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  • St. Ambrose, Church Father and Doctor of the Church (4th Century): From his writing "De obitu Valentiniani consolatio": "But I hear that you are distressed because he did not receive the sacrament of baptism. Tell me, what attribute do we have besides our will, our intention? Yet, a short time ago he had this desire that before he came to Italy he should be initiated [baptized], and he indicated that he wanted to be baptized as soon as possible by myself. Did he not, therefore, have that grace which he desired? Did he not have what he asked for? Undoubtedly because he asked for it he received it."
    ""But I hear that you are distressed because he did not receive the sacrament of baptism."

    Let us stop St. Ambrose at this point and reflect on what was just quoted.

    All of the faithful that have gathered for the memorial services of the Emperor were grieved. And why were they grieved? St. Ambrose says they were grieved because there was no evidence that the Emperor, who was known to be a catechumen, had been baptized. Now If "Baptism of Desire" was something contained in the "deposit of Faith" and part of the Apostolic doctrine, why then would these faithful be grieved that Valentinlan had not been baptized with water?
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #113 on: September 07, 2017, 09:33:50 AM »
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  • What a pathetic little childish pissant this guy is.
    He did not take his meds again.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #114 on: September 07, 2017, 09:37:33 AM »
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  • Now, even the catechumen believes in the cross of the Lord Jesus, with which he also signs himself; but, unless he be baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, he cannot receive remission of his sins nor the gift of spiritual grace." - Saint Ambrose (De Mysteriis,-The Divine Office).
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #115 on: September 07, 2017, 09:38:28 AM »
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  • He did not take his meds again.

    Yeah, yesterday he was posting completely incoherent gibberish that made me question whether he was drunk or on drugs or something.


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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #116 on: September 07, 2017, 09:39:16 AM »
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  • So now directly quoting a person without any other commentary qualifies as "calumny".
    Kinda "Jewey" that, sad to say.


    I guess if you catch your old lady cheating, you're the adulterer then, at least in Nyquilville. (0 o)

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #117 on: September 07, 2017, 09:42:09 AM »
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  • Yeah, yesterday he was posting completely incoherent gibberish that made me question whether he was drunk or on drugs or something.
    Could be either, no way to know but he needs help. His sin of heresy is making him worse all the time.

    As my dearly departed mother used to "preach" to us - "see what sin does to a person? - watch yourself! don't let it happen to you!"
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #118 on: September 07, 2017, 09:43:03 AM »
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  • St. Augustine, Church Father and Doctor of the Church (4th-5th Century): The Seven Books of Augustin, Bishop of Hippo, On Baptism, Against the Donatists, Book IV, Ch 22: "That the place of baptism is sometimes supplied by martyrdom is supported by an argument by no means trivial, which the blessed Cyprian adduces from the thief, to whom, though he was not baptized, it was yet said, "To-day shall thou be with me in Paradise." On considering which, again and again, I find that not only martyrdom for the sake of Christ may supply what was wanting of baptism, but also faith and conversion of heart, if recourse may not be had to the celebration of the mystery of baptism for want of time. For neither was that thief crucified for the name of Christ, but as the reward of his own deeds; nor did he suffer because he believed, but he believed while suffering. It was shown, therefore, in the case of that thief, how great is the power even without the visible sacrament of baptism, of what the apostle says, "With the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." But the want is supplied invisibly only when the administration of baptism is prevented, not by contempt for religion, but by the necessity of the moment."

    Ch23: "But as in the thief, to whom the material administration of the sacrament was necessarily wanting, the salvation was complete, because it was spiritually present through his piety, so, when the sacrament itself is present, salvation is complete, if what the thief possessed be unavoidably wanting."


    Ch24: "And as in the thief the gracious goodness of the Almighty supplied what had been wanting in the sacrament of baptism, because it had been missing not from pride or contempt, but from want of opportunity..."


    Ch25: "By all these considerations it is proved that the sacrament of baptism is one thing, the conversion of the heart another; but that man's salvation is made complete through the two together. Nor are we to suppose that, if one of these be wanting, it necessarily follows that the other is wanting also; because the sacrament may exist in the infant without the conversion of the heart; and this was found to be possible without the sacrament in the case of the thief, God in either case filling up what was involuntarily wanting. But when either of these requisites is wanting intentionally, then the man is responsible for the omission. And baptism may exist when the conversion of the heart is wanting; but, with respect to such conversion, it may indeed be found when baptism has not been received, but never when it has been despised."



    From City of God, Book XIII, Chapter 7: "Of the Death Which the Unbaptized Suffer for the Confession of Christ: For whatever unbaptized persons die confessing Christ, this confession is of the same efficacy for the remission of sins as if they were washed in the sacred font of baptism. For He who said, "Unless a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God," John 3:5 made also an exception in their favor, in that other sentence where He no less absolutely said, "Whosoever shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven;" Matthew 10:32 and in another place, "Whosoever will lose his life for my sake, shall find it." Matthew 16:25"


    A Treatise on the Soul and Its Origin, Book II, Ch17, Disobedient Compassion and Compassionate Disobedience Reprobated and Martyrdom In Lieu Of Baptism: "Truth, by the mouth of Itself incarnate, proclaims as if in a voice of thunder: "Except a man be born again of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." And in order to except martyrs from this sentence, to whose lot it has fallen to be slain for the name of Christ before being washed in the baptism of Christ, He says in another passage, "He that loseth his life for my sake shall find it."



    A Treatise On the Soul and Its Origin, by Aurelius Augustin, Bishop of Hippo; In Four Books, 419, Book 1, CH 11, Title Of Chapter 11: "Martyrdom for Christ Supplies the Place of Baptism. The Faith of the Thief Who Was Crucified Along with Christ Taken As Martyrdom And Hence for Baptism".



    On the Soul and Its Origin, Book 1, Ch 10: "Moreover, from the time when He said, "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven;" and again, "He that loseth his life for my sake shall find it; " no one becomes a member of Christ except it be either by baptism in Christ, or death for Christ."
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #119 on: September 07, 2017, 09:43:38 AM »
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  • He did not take his meds again.

    Yesterday from LoT:
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    They see inaccurately.  Nothing to understand.  They cannot provide proof.  But will see that I have said things such as "Desire is not a sacrament" and "ignorance, in and of itself, neither saves or damns a man."  

    But no see.  Why?  Lies.  Ladislaus says over and over again.  Must be true.  He defends BOD too much must undermine.  How?  Lies.

    I have nothing against you.  Feel free to talk anytime.