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Offline JPaul

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Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
« Reply #90 on: September 06, 2017, 04:18:01 PM »
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    • What we see in fact, is the continuation of spam and the revial of slanderously titled posts against Catholics, by a certain person.
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    Offline Motorede

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #91 on: September 06, 2017, 08:11:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on September 06, 2017, 02:12:21 PM
    I think we've all realized that LOT is incapable of explaining what he believes because he doesn't fully understand himself.  He reads quote after quote after quote from various theologians - some orthodox, some modern - and, adding to his blind hatred of feeneyism, his mind is muddled.  This is why he posts quotes to answer our questions.
    I pegged him many,many months ago when I told him that he had a blind hatred for Father Feeney; not an intellectual hatred, not a just hatred, but an emotional, undeserved hatred. I will refer to LoT from now on as LoH: Lover of Hate. 
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    Offline DZ PLEASE

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #92 on: September 06, 2017, 09:21:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: tornpage on September 06, 2017, 09:02:46 PM
    You do wonder about this crusade to take back the parking spots closest to the Church when the Muslims are overrunning Europe and . . . real calamities are about.
    Perhaps a better analogy: he vigorously attacks his dry skin while ignoring the weight problem that is killing him.
    Or something like that.  
    Sounds like you're saying he's incoherent due to undiagnosed Diabetes; I hadn't looked at it that way. 

    Kidding aside, something like that does have appreciable explanatory scope and power. 

    You know, speaking of craziness, you know what is even Pecan pie nuttier? We're all , for months plus, still stuck at the event horizon of this heretical black hole.

    (@@)
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    Offline Lover of Truth

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #93 on: September 07, 2017, 05:49:10 AM »
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    • St. Victor of Braga, (4th Century): From the Roman Martyrology: "Saint Victor: At Braga in Portugal, of Saint Victor, Martyr, who while still a catechumen refused to worship an idol, and confessed Christ Jesus with great constancy; wherefore after many torments, he merited to be baptized in his own blood, his head being cut off. Victor of Braga Martyr (Red Martyr): Died c. 300. In his chronicle, Vasaeus records that Saint Victor was baptized by blood. The catechumen was beheaded at Braga, Portugal, under Diocletian for refusing to sacrifice to idols (Benedictines, Husenbeth)."
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #94 on: September 07, 2017, 08:59:47 AM »
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    • I see that you enjoy bumping your calumnious thread about me, LoT.  Instead of retracting your false statements, you double down.  That's how you behave with everything.  You absolutely never admit a mistake or a failing, but instead double down on it.  This is a symptom of extreme pride.
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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #95 on: September 07, 2017, 09:02:04 AM »
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    • St. Genesius of Arles, (4th Century): As noted in the Catholic Encyclopedia: "A notary martyred under Maximianus in 303 or 308. Feast, 25 Aug. He is honoured as patron of notaries, and invoked against chilblains and scurf. The Acts (Acta SS., Aug., V, 123, and Ruinart, 559), attributed to St. Paulinus of Nola, state: Genesius, native of Arles, at first a soldier became known for his proficiency in writing, and was made secretary to the magistrate of Arles. While performing the duties of his office the decree of persecution against the Christians was read in his presence. Outraged in his ideas of justice, the young catechumen cast his tablets at the feet of the magistrate and fled. He was captured and executed, and thus received baptism in his own blood. His veneration must be very old, as his name is found in the ancient martyrology ascribed to St. Jerome. A church and altar dedicated to him at Arles were known in the fourth century."
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #96 on: September 07, 2017, 09:07:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 29, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
    Ladislaus has repeatedly shown himself to be a lying heretic claiming I'm a pelagian for claiming the issue hadn't been settled as to whether 2 or 4 minimal beliefs are intrinsically necessary in order to have a supernatural faith.

    You calumniate me as a heretic, presumably for not believing in BoD.  Even the theologians who believe in BoD, as surveyed by Fr. Cekada, assign the note of "theologically certain" to BoD.  So even by their standards, it would not be heresy to reject it.  Even if there's an opinion (from St. Alphonsus) that it's de fide, this theological note is a disputed question among theologians and there can be no heresy where there's no certainty of faith.

    You lie (and clumniate) that I accuse you of being a Pelagian because of your position on 2 vs. 4 beliefs.  That has nothing to do with why I call you a Pelagian.  Either you're a liar or don't even have any clue about what Pelagianism is.  I've told you why you're a Pelagian.  St. Augustine explains why you're a Pelagian.  Read up on Pelagianism.
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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #97 on: September 07, 2017, 09:09:54 AM »
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    •  Rufinus, Church Father (4th Century): A Commentary on the Apostles' Creed: "It is written that when the side of Jesus was pierced "He shed thereout blood and water." This has a mystical meaning. For Himself had said, "Out of His belly shall flow rivers of living water." But He shed forth blood also, of which the Jews sought that it might be upon themselves and upon their children. He shed forth water, therefore, which might wash believers; He shed forth blood also which might condemn unbelievers. Yet it might be understood also as prefiguring the twofold grace of baptism, one that which is given by the baptism of water, the other that which is sought through martyrdom in the outpouring of blood, for both are called baptism."
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #98 on: September 07, 2017, 09:12:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 29, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
    When I conclusively proved him wrong he reverted to accusing me of hating Aquinas taking a quote out of context in order to make me look bad.

    I took no quote out of context.  I cited your entire post.  You derided anyone who holds to the 4-belief position as an ignorant fool who doesn't know anything about Scripture because holding to 4 belief means that St. Paul would have "forgotten to mention" the other 2.  Since St. Thomas taught the 4-belief position, you implicitly derided him as an ignorant fool who does not know Scripture.  You derided St. Thomas by implication.  But you know nothing of logic.  Here's the syllogism.

    Major:  People who promote the 4-belief position as true are ignorant of Scripture.
    Minor:  St. Thomas promoted/taught the 4-belief position.
    Conclusion:  St. Thomas was ignorant of Scripture.

    It's quite straightforward.  You got caught with your pants down but then run away instead of retracting your statement.  You refuse to retract the "Major" or your argument above, and so you refuse to retract the implicit conclusion that St. Thomas was an ignorant fool who didn't know or properly understand Scripture.  You are too arrogant to ever retract a mistake.

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #99 on: September 07, 2017, 09:14:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 29, 2017, 08:30:28 AM
    Ladislaus is a sinful dishonest heretic who could find himself damned if he dies in this current state.

    Talk about calumny, you hypocrite.
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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #100 on: September 07, 2017, 09:14:08 AM »
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    • St. Gregory nαzιanzen, Church Father and Doctor of the Church (4th Century): Oration XXXIX, Oration on the Holy Lights: "I know also a Fourth Baptism--that by Martyrdom and blood, which also Christ himself underwent; and this one is far more august than all the others, inasmuch as it cannot be defiled by after-stains."
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #101 on: September 07, 2017, 09:23:42 AM »
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    • "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church
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    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #102 on: September 07, 2017, 09:25:03 AM »
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    • St. Pope Siricius (4th Century): Letter to Himerius, 385: "As we maintain that the observance of the holy Paschal time should in no way be relaxed, in the same way we desire that infants who, on account of their age, cannot yet speak, or those who, in any necessity, are in want of the water of holy baptism, be succored with all possible speed, for fear that, if those who leave this world should be deprived of the life of the Kingdom for having been refused the source of salvation which they desired, this may lead to the ruin of our souls. If those threatened with shipwreck, or the attack of enemies, or the uncertainties of a siege, or those put in a hopeless condition due to some bodily sickness, ask for what in their faith is their only help, let them receive at the very moment of their request the reward of regeneration they beg for. Enough of past mistakes! From now on, let all the priests observe the aforesaid rule if they do not want to be separated from the solid apostolic rock on which Christ has built his universal Church."
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    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #103 on: September 07, 2017, 09:26:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Lover of Truth on September 07, 2017, 09:09:54 AM
    Rufinus, Church Father (4th Century): ...  Yet it might be understood also as prefiguring the ...

    singular

    ... twofold grace of baptism,...

    singular

    ... one that which is given by the baptism of water,...

    Only one? Wait, how many baptisms do we profess again?

    ... the other that which is sought through martyrdom ...

    which is what? What does martyrdom do that the sacrament doesn't unless, perhaps this refers, for example, to the baptism of S. John, but how can this be, for note the word "prefiguring" and the us of the present tense. Also first he speaks of one grace "...twofold... ". He also at least seems to take one away from whichever baptism he's initially referring to. 

    ...     in the outpouring of blood, for both are called...

    not are, but "... are called... "

    ... baptism."

    This isn't doing or saying what many wish it to.
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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #104 on: September 07, 2017, 09:27:44 AM »
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    • 'One is the Baptism which the Church administers: the Baptism of water and the Holy Ghost, with which catechumens need to be baptized. - Saint Ambrose (De Mysteriis,-The Divine Office).
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    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse
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