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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
« Reply #60 on: August 29, 2017, 01:49:42 PM »
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  • You try to make it seem like he is a liberal you professional idiot when true Catholics take him for what he was.  A highly respected Catholic theologian who taught other theologians theology.  
    Gotta give credit where credit is due - LoL is correct here - Fr. Fenton certainly spread his errors far and wide.

    There he is - Fr. Fenton was one of those "well respected" 20th century theologians who was responsible for "all of these liberal ideas have been infiltrated into the seminaries, the catechisms and all the manifestations of the church..." that archbishop Lefebvre spoke of.

    Thanks for helping to prove my theory that "well respected" 19th and 20th century theologians bear the biggest brunt of responsibility for this whole mess the Church is in today. 

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #61 on: August 29, 2017, 01:54:08 PM »
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  • You know, this baboon considers us guilty of "Calumny" and I see the thread currently right below this one started by him:

    "WHY FEENEYITES HATE CATHOLIC TEACHING".

    Lover of Heresy calumniates us by claiming that we "HATE" Catholic teaching ... when in point of fact we merely happen to disagree on the interpretation of what that teaching is with regard to a very specific theological subject.  So from this Lover of Hypocrisy extrapolates the calumny that we "HATE" Catholic teaching.

    When I criticized him for his IMPLICIT attack against St. Thomas Aquinas, he asked whether I was claiming that he thereby "hates" St. Thomas.  I pointed out that I said no such thing and do not believe that he "hates" St. Thomas.

    Yet he declares us guilty of "hatred" for Catholic teaching.

    Think twice about what you're doing, Lover of Hypocrisy.


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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #62 on: August 29, 2017, 01:57:11 PM »
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  • What a complete and utter moron!  He was NOT mistaken on the substance of the issue because HE HIMSELF BELIEVED IN THE FOUR ARTICLES.  He was mistaken in his assignment of theological note to the contrary opinion ... which he did NOT hold.

    You are a complete and utter idiot, Lover of Truth.  I have to explain EVERY FREAKING THING to you fifteen times because you are too dull witted to get it the first fourteen.
    He taught either is plausible.  I do not more.  You are the uncharitable wretch that hates truth.  That is why you reverted to making it look like I thought Aquinas was an idiot.  You were defeated on the issue and switched to another topic as you do sense you can neither grant a point or admit you are wrong.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #63 on: August 29, 2017, 02:20:11 PM »
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  • That is why you reverted to making it look like I thought Aquinas was an idiot.

    You implied exactly that when you said Stubborn was an idiot who didn't know Scripture for holding to the 4-point explicit faith theory.

    PS -- Fenton also believed in 4-point explicit faith.

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #64 on: August 29, 2017, 02:30:58 PM »
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  • You know, this baboon considers us guilty of "Calumny" and I see the thread currently right below this one started by him:

    "WHY FEENEYITES HATE CATHOLIC TEACHING".

    Lover of Heresy calumniates us by claiming that we "HATE" Catholic teaching ... when in point of fact we merely happen to disagree on the interpretation of what that teaching is with regard to a very specific theological subject.  So from this Lover of Hypocrisy extrapolates the calumny that we "HATE" Catholic teaching.

    When I criticized him for his IMPLICIT attack against St. Thomas Aquinas, he asked whether I was claiming that he thereby "hates" St. Thomas.  I pointed out that I said no such thing and do not believe that he "hates" St. Thomas.

    Yet he declares us guilty of "hatred" for Catholic teaching.

    Think twice about what you're doing, Lover of Hypocrisy.
    This morning I looked - he had the last posts in 42 different threads in the BOD forum, most were ones he started.

    There is no conversing with him, there is only a semblance of the modernist "dialoging" with him. He has infected himself with liberalism and he has it bad.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #65 on: August 29, 2017, 03:01:39 PM »
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  • This morning I looked - he had the last posts in 42 different threads in the BOD forum, most were ones he started.

    There is no conversing with him, there is only a semblance of the modernist "dialoging" with him. He has infected himself with liberalism and he has it bad.

    Yes, it's ironic that the dogmatic sedevacantists are sometimes the most liberal Traditional Catholics.  I've noticed it not only in terms of soteriology/ecclesiology but also in the realm of moral theology.  I find it rather perplexing.

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #66 on: August 29, 2017, 03:10:19 PM »
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  • Maybe it's because they reject V2 theology (which they should) but then study the theology of the 30s-50s instead (like Fenton), not realizing that much of this led to V2!  Oh, the irony!

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #67 on: August 29, 2017, 04:48:30 PM »
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  • Isn't this sort of thing to be first dealt with in private? If so presumably this was the case; however, just in case...


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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #68 on: August 29, 2017, 09:46:52 PM »
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  • Pardon me.  But I humbly interject here to ask, when is "Lover of Truth" going to address the issue of his calumny against Monsignor Francis Cassano?  (For those few perhaps not knowing, this Monsignor was assigned by the Vatican to review and examine the book "Bread of Life" by Fr. Leonard Feeney - a good a heroic priest, by the way, and not the venom-dripping, Catholicism-hating, Luther-like heretic that LoT and his ilk seem to entirely LIVE to crucify!)
     
    This Monsignor Cassano reported that he found nothing wrong in or with "Bread of Life."  About this result, Mr. Lover of Truth remarked that he was not interested in “what a Mason would say.”
     
    It was therefore asked, how does he know the Msgr. was a Mason?  We could not find any proof of it.  (As though a real Mason would not tear "Bread of Life" to shreds if he had the opportunity.)  
     
    So far, nothing but a great big field of Crickets from the self-titled "Lover of Truth" - yes, a bit of a stretch of a name for he who falsely accused an honest Monsignor of something he was not, and who runs from addressing his "mistake."   
     
    But be that as it may, all this is not surprising.  LoT and his fellow "anti-Feeney" hoodlums are they who only continue to show their uncharitable, hateful ignorance of that priest and his lifetime of devoted works, and a God-loving, modernist-hating priesthood, by their never-ending, out-of-proportion RAILING and DIATRIBE against him as though he is Arius, Nestorius (or Voltaire, for that matter!).    
     
    There seems a one-dimentional something that’s unnatural, if not un-supernatural, in such an apparent 24/7 pre-occupation with this “Feeneyite” thing -- which has had the result of actually revealing their really and pathetically... amateurish attempts at theology.  
     

    As for using Fr. Fenton in this… as the saying goes: “ Is that all you’ve got?”
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #69 on: August 30, 2017, 09:21:01 AM »
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  • Pardon me.  But I humbly interject here to ask, when is "Lover of Truth" going to address the issue of his calumny against Monsignor Francis Cassano? 

    Answer:  Never.  LoT is the most arrogant son of a female dog that I have ever encountered.  He will NEVER EVER admit that he's made a mistake.  All he would have to say is, "I shot from the hip with this statement and retract it.  I apologize."  Admission of error or mistake or even sin ... are completely beyond the capabilities of this incredibly arrogant man-child.  In fact, he perseveres in heresy simply because he refuse to make a couple small adjustments in how he defines and promotes Baptism of Desire.  That's all it would take to climb out of his heresies.  He wouldn't have to reject Baptism of Desire.  But he refuses to do this because it would be an admission of fault on his side.

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #70 on: August 30, 2017, 09:22:37 AM »
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  • 2. Ordinary Magisterium: this second form of Church teaching is “continually exercised by the Church especially in her universal practices connected with faith and morals, in the unanimous consent of the Fathers and theologians, in the decisions of the Roman Congregations concerning faith and morals, in the common sense of the Faithful, and various historical docuмents, in which the faith is declared.” (Definition from “A Catholic Dictionary”, 1951)

    So, according to this definition, the Ordinary Magisterium (also referred to as the Universal Ordinary Magisterium) is Church teaching that is continuous and unanimously consented to throughout the Church.

    "A Commentary on Canon Law" (Augustine, 1918, Canon 1323, pg 327) states: "The universal and ordinary magisterium consists of the entire episcopate, according to the constitution and order defined by Christ, i.e., all the bishops of the universal Church, dependently on the Roman Pontiff". It also states, "What the universal and approved practice and discipline proposes as connected with faith and morals must be believed. And what the Holy Fathers and the theologians hold unanimously as a matter of faith and morals, is also de fide."

    The Ordinary Magisterium is where the majority of Catholic beliefs are taught and learned; through unanimous teaching by preaching, by any written means, the approval of catechisms, the approval of textbooks for use in seminaries, etc.

    Some examples of the Ordinary Magisterium would be that of Guardian Angels, or the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary (before 1950). While neither were solemnly defined by the Church (before 1950), they were always universally taught and believed, and it would be considered heresy to deny them.

    For example, Arius was considered a heretic before his condemnation at the Council of Nicaea in 325, because the Divinity of Christ (which he denied) was part of the teaching of the Ordinary Magisterium before that Council. The same applies to Nestorius regarding his denial of the Divine Maternity of the Blessed Virgin, where he was later declared a heretic by the Solemn Magisterium at the Council of Ephesus.

    So in a nutshell, the Solemn Magisterium (used rarely) plus the Ordinary Magisterium (used continuously) equals the complete infallible teaching of the Catholic Church.  The article "Science and the Church" from the Catholic Encyclopedia (1917) states it well: "The official activity of teaching may be exercised either in the ordinary, or daily, magisterium, or by occasional solemn decisions. The former goes on uninterruptedly; the latter are called forth in times of great danger, especially of growing heresies."

    Finally, the most frequent reason why the Solemn Magisterium is used is in order to confirm a doctrine which already belongs to the Ordinary Magisterium, but which has come under attack, usually by heretics.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #71 on: August 30, 2017, 09:23:58 AM »
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  • Answer:  Never.  LoT is the most arrogant son of a female dog that I have ever encountered.  He will NEVER EVER admit that he's made a mistake.  All he would have to say is, "I shot from the hip with this statement and retract it.  I apologize."  Admission of error or mistake or even sin ... are completely beyond the capabilities of this incredibly arrogant man-child.  In fact, he perseveres in heresy simply because he refuse to make a couple small adjustments in how he defines and promotes Baptism of Desire.  That's all it would take to climb out of his heresies.  He wouldn't have to reject Baptism of Desire.  But he refuses to do this because it would be an admission of fault on his side.

    Ah, yes, so LoT spams to change the subject and to hide these comments in this thread.

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #72 on: August 30, 2017, 09:25:58 AM »
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  • The Dogma of Infallibility

    It is a dogma of the Catholic Church that the Church is divinely kept from the possibility of error in her definitive teaching on faith and morals.

    Definition of “Infallibility” from “A Catholic Dictionary”, 1951: "This infallibility resides (A) in the pope personally and alone; (B) in an ecuмenical Council subject to papal confirmation (these infallibilities are distinct but correlative); (C) in the bishops of the Church, dispersed throughout the world, teaching definitively in union with the pope. This is not a different infallibility from (B) but is the ordinary exercise of a prerogative (hence called the "ordinary magisterium") which is manifested in a striking manner in an ecuмenical Council. This ordinary magisterium is exercised by pastoral letters, preaching, catechisms, the censorship of publications dealing with faith and morals, the reprobation of doctrines and books: it is thus in continuous function and embraces the whole deposit of faith."

    The Catholic Encyclopedia (1917) in the article on Infallibility, states the same: "Three Organs of Infallibility: 1. the bishops dispersed throughout the world in union with the Holy See (exercised by what theologians describe as the ordinarium magisterium, i. e. the common or everyday teaching authority of the Church), 2. ecuмenical councils under the headship of the pope; and 3. the pope himself separately.

    So these definitions coincide with the magisterium definitions above.

    In other words, teaching from the Ordinary Magisterium continually occurs throughout the Church century after century, and the decisions of Popes and Councils (Solemn Magisterium) confine what is taught through the ordinary teaching. Both solemn and ordinary teaching of the Church are considered infallible by this definition. The infallibility of both Solemn and Ordinary Magisterium was solemnly defined by the First Vatican Council (1870) when it stated the following:

    "All those things are to be believed by divine and Catholic faith which are contained in the written Word of God or in Tradition, and which are proposed by the Church, either in solemn judgment or in its ordinary and universal teaching office, as divinely revealed truths which must be believed."

    In other words, both forms of the Magisterium of the Church (Solemn or Ordinary) are infallible and must be believed, according to this General Council. So if a teaching in the Church is universal, and allowed to propagate without condemnation from the Solemn Magisterium, it is considered infallible by the First Vatican Council. Next we provide examples of such teaching from both solemn and ordinary teaching of the Church on the subject of the threefold Baptism.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #73 on: August 30, 2017, 09:30:50 AM »
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  • LoT is the most arrogant son of a female dog that I have ever encountered.  He will NEVER EVER admit that he's made a mistake.  All he would have to say is, "I shot from the hip with this statement and retract it.  I apologize."  Admission of error or mistake or even sin ... are completely beyond the capabilities of this incredibly arrogant man-child.  In fact, he perseveres in heresy simply because he refuse to make a couple small adjustments in how he defines and promotes Baptism of Desire.  That's all it would take to climb out of his heresies.  He wouldn't have to reject Baptism of Desire.  But he refuses to do this because it would be an admission of fault on his side.

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    Re: Ladislaus the Calumniating Detractor
    « Reply #74 on: August 30, 2017, 09:38:23 AM »
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  • St. Cyprian, Church Father (3rd Century): The Epistles of Cyprian, Epistle LXXII: "Let men of this kind, who are aiders and favourers of heretics, know therefore, first, that those catechumens hold the sound faith and truth of the Church, and advance from the divine camp to do battle with the devil, with a full and sincere acknowledgment of God the Father, and of Christ, and of the Holy Ghost; then, that they certainly are not deprived of the sacrament of baptism who are baptized with the most glorious and greatest baptism of blood".

    Epistle LXXII, To Jubaianus, Concerning the Baptism of Heretics: "Let men of this kind, who are aiders and favourers of heretics, know therefore, first, that those catechumens hold the sound faith and truth of the Church, and advance from the divine camp to do battle with the devil, with a full and sincere acknowledgment of God the Father, and of Christ, and of the Holy Ghost; then, that they certainly are not deprived of the sacrament of baptism who are baptized with the most glorious and greatest baptism of blood, concerning which the Lord also said, that He had "another baptism to be baptized with."

    The Treatises Of Cyprian, Treatise XI, Exhortation to Martyrdom, Addressed to Fortunatus: "In the baptism of water is received the remission of sins, in the baptism of blood the crown of virtues. This thing is to be embraced and desired, and to be asked for in all the entreaties of our petitions, that we who are God's servants should be also His friends."
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church