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Author Topic: Ladislaus, Drew, Subborn, Please proof read  (Read 9059 times)

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Re: Ladislaus, Drew, Subborn, Please proof read
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2018, 04:19:46 AM »
Wrong! Even Vatican II docuмents  and the CCC do not teach what Fellay teaches there!

You will not find the claim that such persons may already be sanctified and justified! You will not find the claim that those who die as such might still be saved! It only states that they might be saved: it does not relate how this is to happen or that they might be saved if they die as such!

Re: Ladislaus, Drew, Subborn, Please proof read
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2018, 11:07:27 AM »
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I was reading another website and found a link to this thread in one article of the blog:
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http://catholicvox.blogspot.com/2018/09/the-fruits-of-baptism-of-desire.html
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The blog post is dated Sept. 11, 2018 ------- just 3 days ago.
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Tuesday, September 11, 2018
The Fruits of Baptism of Desire ?

[editor- Because of the recent scandals, many priests are trying to convince people not leave. Among them, is Bishop Barron, who has a weak argument. But since he thinks  de facto: "all are [saved]"-- why not leave? If you are saved anyway faith and it doesn't matter what you believe. (?) Baron's argument is to stay Catholic because it is "nice." But let's consider the problems with BoD. 

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Re: Ladislaus, Drew, Subborn, Please proof read
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2018, 12:17:56 PM »

Quote from: JoeZ on March 21, 2018, 06:25:33 PM
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3.    I insist on using the laws of thought, especially the law of non-contradiction.

Abelard famously appealed to the law of non-contradiction also in his rejection of BoD.
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It's not a "law." It has been known for at least 2,400 years in the Western world as the principle of non-contradiction. 
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I've never heard of anyone making it into a law. If you can cite a reference that would be most welcome.
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The ancient Greek philosophers, who had nothing but natural reason upon which to base their conclusions, recognized that the principle of non-contradiction was fundamental to all sound thinking. Without any divine revelation or influence from the Scriptures of the true faith (at that time the Pentatuch had been written but not disseminated to the world) they were able to apply diligent and patient effort to first principles as they recognized them using natural thought and reflection, that the moment one denies this principle of non-contradiction, all right reason goes out the window. The only possible consequence is total chaos and ultimately anarchy. 
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Re: Ladislaus, Drew, Subborn, Please proof read
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2018, 12:28:04 PM »
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I've never heard of anyone making it into a law.
It's a philosophical principle, or a foundational aspect of logic.  Sometimes foundational principles are referred to as "laws" (i.e. law of thermodynamics, the law of gravity, etc).

Re: Ladislaus, Drew, Subborn, Please proof read
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2018, 12:57:22 PM »
It's a philosophical principle, or a foundational aspect of logic.  Sometimes foundational principles are referred to as "laws" (i.e. law of thermodynamics, the law of gravity, etc).
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Okay, in that sense it would be a law then. If it is acknowledged as a law, then Pope Benedict XVI becomes a lawbreaker when he published his "hermeneutic of continuity." Should have been called the hermeneutic of non-continuity