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Offline Elizabeth

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Karl Keating: Feeney & Followers αnтι-ѕємιтєs?
« Reply #30 on: October 02, 2009, 11:34:18 AM »
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  • I am not familiar with Karl Keating's work at all -don't know if he is a blogger or whatever.

    But I believe he has a point in the two emails posted.  I always shy away from Jєω-obsessed writers, activists or bloggers.

    By God's grace I will be attracted to holy people who promote devotion and love for The Sacred Heart, The Immaculate Heart and my favorites, The Holy Angels.  In my station of life, penance and sacrifice are in order.

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    « Reply #31 on: October 02, 2009, 11:47:12 AM »
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  • Quote from: Elizabeth
    I am not familiar with Karl Keating's work at all -don't know if he is a blogger or whatever.

    But I believe he has a point in the two emails posted.  I always shy away from Jєω-obsessed writers, activists or bloggers.

    By God's grace I will be attracted to holy people who promote devotion and love for The Sacred Heart, The Immaculate Heart and my favorites, The Holy Angels.  In my station of life, penance and sacrifice are in order.

     :dancing:


    True, one can obssess too much over things.ALso, thogh, organized Judiasm ahs been a enemy of our Lord and his Church for 2000 yrs.no individuals perse, but Rabbi's,etc...read the Martyrdom of Polycarp,etc...they have always attacked the church..organized riots, persecutions,etc....strong evidence they backed the "reformation"...

    Keating makes a lot of $$ with his site refuting Prots as it make a lot and is PC in Catholic world.....also, hires and supports many pushing for a Hebrew Rite and Hebrew Churches.....replete with Jєωιѕн rituals,etc......unlike ethnic Chuches of old....

    One cannot love and serve Christ but put on blinders....we are called to be soldiers of Christ, in Church and out in the world......

    know a fellow that does not want to ever talk about controversial things in the church and denies any cօռspιʀαcιҽs-in politics, Church,etc.....yet wants to love the Lord.....burying his head in the sand of "everything is great" mantra......

    Not saying you are bad or doing this,Elizabeth,but one must know the enemy to defend Holy Church and Christ......
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic


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    « Reply #32 on: October 02, 2009, 12:06:18 PM »
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  • LOL, my poor old head is not quite buried in the sand...it is simply very clear that prayer, penance and sacrifice are what Elizabeth needs to try to save her soul.  

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    « Reply #33 on: October 02, 2009, 05:17:01 PM »
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    know a fellow that does not want to ever talk about controversial things in the church and denies any cօռspιʀαcιҽs-in politics, Church,etc.....yet wants to love the Lord.....burying his head in the sand of "everything is great" mantra......


    Exactly, Belloc.  There is way too much of this going on.  Almost all the clergy in America are BLIND.  Pope Pius X condemned it.  

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    "In our time more than ever" said Pius, "the chief strength of the wicked lies in the cowardice and weakness of good men ... All the strength of Satan's reign is due to the easy- going weakness of Catholics. Oh! If I might ask the Divine Redeemer, as the prophet Zachary did in spirit: What are those wounds in the midst of Thy hands? The answer would not be doubtful: With these was I wounded in the house of them that loved Me. I was wounded by My friends, who did nothing to defend Me, and who, on every occasion, made themselves the accomplices of My adversaries. And this reproach can be leveled at the weak and timid Catholics of all countries."


    Easy-going weakness, thy name is CMRI.  Just visit one of their chapels sometime.  If you even bring up a conspiracy they will say you are "intense" or "nervous."  It's some form of mind-control.  The irony is that these are the same people who believe that the entire hierarchy of the Vatican has been replaced by plotting, scheming non-Catholics.  But don't criticize America where the conspiracy is far more blatant!  That's taboo!

    Moreover, I am not "Jєω-obsessed."  I am stating a fact about ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic control of the world and especially America.  The reason why the Catholics have been scattered to the four winds is because a bunch of greedy princes let the Jєωs out of Pandora's Box in order to gain power over other nations.  Then the Jєωs, along with their Gentile slaves who are the Freemasons, took over everything through deceit and playing off the vices of their dupes.  They own almost all the newspapers, the movie studios, the publishing industries, the magazines; they rule our government.  This is not something hatched out of my imagination but it is ACTUAL REALITY.  

    Just praying does not make reality go away.  That brings me to the second point of this post.  I had quoted Marie-Julie Jahenny saying that the laity may be forgiven for following their pastors into untruth.  But this may contradict St. Paul:

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    And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him,
    Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


    As I have said elsewhere today, I don't think any of the VII Popes is the actual man of sin, but the principle still holds.  You have to love truth.  Rosaries will not help you if you have been seduced by lies.  Mary does not exist in a vacuum; Mary loves her Son and is a fighter against heresies that OFFEND HER SON.

    Oh, and Elizabeth, if you think I am Jєω-obsessed, read some St. John Chrysostom sometime.  And he had far less reason to be concerned with Jєωs than I do.  

    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #34 on: October 02, 2009, 05:25:27 PM »
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  • If you were a parent, your priorities and duties would change.

    You'll just have to take my word for it.  And we all have our special little purposes and spiritual works to do.

    What I am beginning to suspect here,is a great horror of suffering for Our Lord.  It's not always fight, fight, fight.



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    « Reply #35 on: October 02, 2009, 06:24:25 PM »
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  • Belloc and others who may care, I did not leave CMRI because they were patriotic, or Republican, or perhaps pro-Iraq war.  I stomached all of that the way I would stomach other political mistakes made by Catholics throughout the history of the Church.  None of that has any bearing on their Catholicity.

    I left because they were allowing people to go to una cuм Masses.  To me, this is no different than a Catholic priest from,say, 1217, allowing someone to go to a Waldensian mass.  It is not Catholic behavior to permit the laity to wander back and forth between un-Catholic sects and the Catholic Church.  

    The CMRI repeatedly points out the errors of SSPX and then tells people, "Go ahead and go there in an emergency."  Sorry, this makes no sense.  Either SSPX is good and Catholic IN ALL CASES or it is not.  Would CMRI tell you to go to an Anglican church "in an emergency"?  Come on!  

    My friend made the hilarious comment that this was like saying to an engaged couple, "If you can't find a priest around to marry you, just head over to Vegas."  He also calls CMRI's policy "Being a little bit pregnant."  This is how the devil works -- just slip in a little poison and then a little more until soon no one knows what the true doctrine is.

    I believe that the only way to be Catholic in our time is to be sedevacantist.  Someone may say, "It's only a difference of opinion about whether Ratzinger is Pope or not."  That is where that person and I would have to part ways, hopefully for the moment.  For me to accept that this man could be a Pope would be the most blasphemous insult to Jesus Christ.  This is not just a man who made some mistakes in a letter, like Honorius, but a dogged, persistent enemy of Our Lord since the time he was a priest.  An una cuм Mass with Ratzinger is a sacrilegious horror.

    John Daly, before for some reason deciding to defend SSPX, brought up this pertinent example:

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    St Hypathius, a Bithynian monk of the fifth century, insisted on suppressing the name of Nestorius, the patriarch of Constantinople, from the sacred diptychs from the moment when Nestorius began to preach his heresy, which denied the unity of person in Our Lord. Hypathius's ordinary, the bishop Eulalius (who was a suffragan of Nestorius), refused Nestorius's heresy, but rebuked the monk for having withdrawn from communion with their patriarch before he had been condemned by a council. Hypathius replied: "I cannot insert his name in the Canon of the Mass, because a heresiarch is not worthy of the title of pastor in the Church; do what you like with me; I am ready to suffer all, and nothing will induce me to change my behaviour." (Petits Bollandistes, 17th June)


    St. Hypathius acted like a Catholic.  He didn't wring his hands and go along with evil because "people are confused and they are in invincible ignorance," or whatever their excuses are to partake in offenses to God.  He refused to participate, and led by example.  You see, it is those who give you the easy out, who say "It's okay to do whatever because you're confused," who are the authors of confusion.  The Catholic Church is not a pick-and-choose buffet.  

    Notice who the saint is, too.  It isn't the bishop who went along with the letter of the law, waiting indefinitely for the Church's judgment, but the lowly monk who KNEW right away that to insert Nestorius' name in the Canon was BLASPHEMY.  

    This disobedience to your superiors is not recommendable in all circuмstances; but only in special circuмstances, when those superiors are making you choose between them and Christ.  And when you talk about special circuмstances, let me tell you, we are in one, boy.  This is the GREATEST of all special circuмstances up to this point in time.

    I feel as strongly about this as St. Hypatius did -- more strongly, because Ratzinger is far worse and more destructive than even Nestorius, and we do not have a functioning Church that can depose Ratzinger.  Actually, we do, it's just that they refuse to do their duty.

    The CMRI and SGG and SSPX ( more acronyms than Soviet Russia! ) can try to bully people with their seminary training all they want; but if they are wrong, they are still wrong.  It is a historical fact that the clergy usually goes along with the prevailing government; in the time of Henry VIII, most of them were sucked into his Anglican Church; in the time of the French Revolution, most of them became "jureurs" and went along with the revolutionaries; and so on and so forth.  As far as Vatican II, many stayed but many left as well.  The point is, you cannot just go along with the clergy if they are heretics.  The clergy are humans with human weaknesses; they are often afraid to rock the boat or have gotten too comfortable.

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    Like all of you, I am doing my best to try and save my soul.  None of us here wakes up every morning and thinks, "I'm in the wrong and I want to burn in hell."  Some people think that they must be in communion with their fellow Catholics even if those Catholics are riddled with heresies and are wrong.  They don't want to miss their Sunday Mass even if it is sacrilegious.

    I may have gone too far -- and I may pull back.  If I can find a bishop who is not overbearing about NFP, I may accept his belief in it as a common error and attend his chapel.  Or I may write to bishops and try to make them see the truth, and the one who does is the one who will get my support.  Or I'll wait for the Minor Chastisement or Second Coming.  I don't know.  I'll tell you one thing, I haven't given up trying to find a Catholic bishop or priest.  If one is reading this, please write me!  

    But I believe that we are where we are because of compromise and so I have set out on the course of being uncompromising where Catholic dogma is concerned.  I fully believe St. Paul when he says, "   But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema."  That could be translated, "But though we, or a POPE, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema."

    I do not go along with the rhythm method, or false interpretations of invincible ignorance, or the una cuм with one of the worst heresiarchs the Church has ever seen, and who has usurped the PAPAL THRONE.  When the Church is restored, I am positive that all of these things will be looked back on as abominations, and I want to be ahead of my time -- because my time is grotesque.  Do you realize this is inarguably the worst moment of time in Christian history up until now?

    I do not believe Christ wants me to participate in communion with heretics.  He has given me the actual grace to stay at home for now.  However, many of the clergy, who are most likely only material heretics, could change from one day to the next.  Until 2007, when Bishop Dolan began to raise a hue and cry about it, the una cuм wasn't even an issue for sedevacantists.  Just as now, no one seems bothered by NFP, or has realized that Pius XII was almost surely an anti-Pope who taught and tried to enforce eugenics and social engineering.  This could all change overnight.

    I don't see the Church as dead but more like Sleeping Beauty, in a poisoned trance, awaiting Her prince.  So those who say it is undergoing its mystical crucifixion and is now in the tomb seem to be right.  It has a hierarchy -- so the gates of hell have not prevailed -- but they are in slumberland at the moment.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #36 on: October 02, 2009, 06:35:01 PM »
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  • You can say the Missal at home, Elizabeth.  That's what I would do if I had kids.  It's what I have done and will do without kids!  Apparently it's what Gerry Matatics does now as well.

    But we can't do the wrong thing even if it's for the right reasons.  We can't insult God just because we feel we have to discipline children by taking them to Mass.  Of course, you don't feel you're insulting God, but when and if that realization strikes, you're going to have to act on it.  

    It is not comfortable to know you were in the wrong, to have thought you were Catholic when you weren't, and to have to change.  But God takes your hand and leads you through it.  This happened with me recently about NFP.  I defended it on this website, defended Pius XII, defended the CMRI.  Later, after breaking with CMRI, I was going to fly out to SGG, thinking that whatever Father Cekada's faults, at least he was Catholic and against the una cuм -- and then I read his defense of NFP and just got this sinking feeling.  Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.  I still haven't written about it in depth but NFP is a huge subject; much bigger than most people think.  

    All our lives have been upset.  I wanted to be a writer-filmmaker before all this hit me.  Then I wanted to be a priest and it seems that is impossible.  Now, I have no resume and no plans and will be lucky to get a job at Starbucks.  The truth leads us down some strange avenues, ones we never expected.  But are you going to resist it when it comes?  

    "Let the dead bury the dead; you who are still living, come with me."
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.

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    « Reply #37 on: October 02, 2009, 07:06:09 PM »
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  • Raoul,

    What is your end game here? To live out the rest of your days in seclusion, not going to the sacraments, working a minimum wage job to survive in anonymity? Typing endless pages of arguments that nobody agrees with? Is it you, your Missal and God the rest of the way with no real Church to speak of, except the non-existent ideal one in your mind? Is this what God wants from your life?


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    « Reply #38 on: October 03, 2009, 03:49:21 AM »
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  • stevusmagnus:  Go read the Life of the Early Fathers, and then a BIG RESOUNDING "YES" would not even make you flinch.

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    « Reply #39 on: October 03, 2009, 06:56:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: Elizabeth
    If you were a parent, your priorities and duties would change...You'll just have to take my word for it.


    While I know this is an undeniable truth, it is also something that is the way it is for a good reason.  There ARE differences in perspective/priorities/duties, the differences are normal and good, and we cannot force a square peg into a round hole - nor should we try.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #40 on: October 03, 2009, 07:05:49 AM »
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    I believe that the only way to be Catholic in our time is to be sedevacantist.  Someone may say, "It's only a difference of opinion about whether Ratzinger is Pope or not." ... An una cuм Mass with Ratzinger is a sacrilegious horror.


    Bp Sanborn is a cult leader who is bankrupt - and he has never PROVED these things.

    Does anyone even say, "Oh, that Pope crap is just opinion, anyway."  Uh, no - it is a caricature, thrown out there for effect.

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    John Daly, before for some reason deciding to defend SSPX, brought up this pertinent example:

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    "I cannot insert his name in the Canon of the Mass, because a heresiarch is not worthy of the title of pastor in the Church; do what you like with me; I am ready to suffer all, and nothing will induce me to change my behaviour.[/u]"

    St. Hypathius acted like a Catholic.


    He acted like a Catholic PRIEST - and HIS attitude toward his fellow Catholic PRIESTS and LAYMEN was VERY different from your own/Sanborn's.

    Bp Sanborn, like Bp Dolan and Fr Cekada, is a Pharisee whose time of "success" is OVER.  The seminary in FL will NEVER be completed, just like the "SHRINE"-to-be in OH.  I am sorry to have to tell you this.  I went to their seminary, did well, learned a lot, enjoyed it there immensely, yet the facts are the facts: they all LIE publicly and habitually to "grow their business", which is dying before their very eyes.  
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."


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    « Reply #41 on: October 03, 2009, 07:09:14 AM »
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  • I almost went there.

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    « Reply #42 on: October 03, 2009, 08:10:29 AM »
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    Bp Sanborn, like Bp Dolan and Fr Cekada, is a Pharisee whose time of "success" is OVER.


    Mike,

    Do you know about the oath administered before the Blessed Sacrament exposed back in the 1990s at Mary Help of Christians Academy in Warren, MI?  Bp Sanborn was made aware (if he did not already know) that such is a "no no", but he did it anyway.

    How about the dramas (involving outright lies delivered from the pulpit) surrounding the removal of a wonderful priest from OLQM in Fraser to the dying seminary in FL?

    Don't get me wrong: Fr C is in a class by himself where lying is concerned, but Bps. Dolan Sanborn have done it as well.  ALL have been caught, yet ALL carry on as if it didn't happen.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #43 on: October 03, 2009, 08:12:06 AM »
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  • Quote from: gladius_veritatis
    ...but Bps. Dolan Sanborn...


    Please read "...Bps. Dolan AND Sanborn..."
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    « Reply #44 on: October 03, 2009, 08:36:24 AM »
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  • So gladius, what type of chapel do you go to now? Independent or do you just stay home?