CM,

Do you not find it the least bit alarming that you have condemned all Catholics except Feeneyite Sedes who believe as you do as heretics?

That God has given you and the .00001% of Catholics who think like you a chance at salvation, while basically condemning the rest of us to hopeless damnation?

Will Heaven consist of you, God and the Dimond brothers?

If so will this truly be Heaven? Haha.

Are you putting us on or do you really believe this? If you do, what events in your life lead to these extreme beliefs?

Actually I shouldn't say the CMRI are pro-Iraq war.  That was the impression I got, but I didn't verify it.

I do know one CMRI priest was in the military for six years and that Bishop Pivarunas is a staunch "Republican."  I tried to tell myself that they were only "Republican" because they were anti-abortion, but the atmosphere at CMRI unfortunately was much like a Baptist chapel in Louisiana.  A strong military, "red State," flag-waving ambiance.  Because I at least thought the priests were Catholic, I ignored their political gaffes, though it was not the best fit for me, with my extremely intense distaste of the Jєωιѕн cesspool of lies and soul-death that is America.

There, that brings the thread back on track.

You can stick with Marie-Julie, I'll stick with the Church.

99% of whom are actively using artificial contraception and/or sterilization.  Italy has one of the lowest birthrates in the entire World.

CM,

Do you not find it the least bit alarming that you have condemned all Catholics except Feeneyite Sedes who believe as you do as heretics?

That God has given you and the .00001% of Catholics who think like you a chance at salvation, while basically condemning the rest of us to hopeless damnation?

Will Heaven consist of you, God and the Dimond brothers?

If so will this truly be Heaven? Haha.

Are you putting us on or do you really believe this? If you do, what events in your life lead to these extreme beliefs?

give him time, he will excommunicate them as well.....

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Matatics, who at his seminars used to distribute literature from the Saint Benedict Center, makes a tiny distinction between that group's position and his own and uses that distinction to claim that he is not really a Feeneyite. (If not, why distribute the most hardline Feeneyite literature?)

Unlike the Saint Benedict Center, he is open to the possibility that a catechumen who desires baptism but who dies before being baptized might be saved through what is commonly called "baptism of desire." But such a catechumen's salvation is not sure, says Matatics. It might be that he is not saved after all.

I like Matatics.  Thanks for pointing him out to me.

I used to like Matatics, he was one of the few apologists who would not try to weasel his way out of certain "hardline" or "over the top" church teachings that Protestants like to bring up. However he is now a sedevacantist home-aloner who even considers the SSPX, CMRI, SSPV to be "counterfeit traditional Catholics" (his own words). If any of his children keep the faith, it will be a miracle.

so, he is back to virtual Protestantism eh.....again, proves my point over yrs that poor cathecism leads t opoor converts.....in lieu of the crop we got in the lat 40 yrs, none to great (AKin,Hahn,Ray..)

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Quote from: stevusmagnus

Matatics, who at his seminars used to distribute literature from the Saint Benedict Center, makes a tiny distinction between that group's position and his own and uses that distinction to claim that he is not really a Feeneyite. (If not, why distribute the most hardline Feeneyite literature?)

Unlike the Saint Benedict Center, he is open to the possibility that a catechumen who desires baptism but who dies before being baptized might be saved through what is commonly called "baptism of desire." But such a catechumen's salvation is not sure, says Matatics. It might be that he is not saved after all.

I like Matatics.  Thanks for pointing him out to me.

I used to like Matatics, he was one of the few apologists who would not try to weasel his way out of certain "hardline" or "over the top" church teachings that Protestants like to bring up. However he is now a sedevacantist home-aloner who even considers the SSPX, CMRI, SSPV to be "counterfeit traditional Catholics" (his own words). If any of his children keep the faith, it will be a miracle.

Well, I am not a sede, not yet at least.

Nor me, not ever...

Excuse me, then what is the point of being sedevacantist?

None, there is no point.....

you see your "side" is as divide as any??

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Quote from: Caraffa

Quote from: Jehanne

Quote from: stevusmagnus

Matatics, who at his seminars used to distribute literature from the Saint Benedict Center, makes a tiny distinction between that group's position and his own and uses that distinction to claim that he is not really a Feeneyite. (If not, why distribute the most hardline Feeneyite literature?)

Unlike the Saint Benedict Center, he is open to the possibility that a catechumen who desires baptism but who dies before being baptized might be saved through what is commonly called "baptism of desire." But such a catechumen's salvation is not sure, says Matatics. It might be that he is not saved after all.

I like Matatics.  Thanks for pointing him out to me.

I used to like Matatics, he was one of the few apologists who would not try to weasel his way out of certain "hardline" or "over the top" church teachings that Protestants like to bring up. However he is now a sedevacantist home-aloner who even considers the SSPX, CMRI, SSPV to be "counterfeit traditional Catholics" (his own words). If any of his children keep the faith, it will be a miracle.

so, he is back to virtual Protestantism eh.....again, proves my point over yrs that poor cathecism leads t opoor converts.....in lieu of the crop we got in the lat 40 yrs, none to great (AKin,Hahn,Ray..)

Belloc, good point. One thing that I've noticed about these "superstar" converts that EWTN likes to push is that many of them come from broad-church "Jesus and me is our only doctrine" evangelism. It might explain the crop we're getting, i.e. the Protestantism is great, but Catholicism is better Scott Hahn/Mark Shea types. Outside of Matatics, none of them ever said that they joined Christ's Church because of salvation. Overall, I have more respect for the converts of the past like Orestes Brownson and G. K. Chesterton.

True, converts pre-V2 seem better.....though I do know a few that would fit right in here, but too many.... :shocked:

of note, have talk via email to Shea, he is condescending and often, nasty....