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« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2014, 09:16:59 AM »
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Pelagian heretic.


Anyone who calls Monsignor Fenton a Pelagian heretic cannot possibly be Catholic.  But we already knew this about you Ladislaus.  I pray you cease worshiping your intellect and your ipsi  dixits and bow to the truth before you die.


Who said I was talking about Monsignor Fenton?  I was clearly talking about YOU.  YOU have repeatedly articulated Pelagian propositions.  I wasn't talking about Msgr. Fenton, nor would I put Nishant into this category.


You said it in response to my OP which is a direct quote from Fenton.  

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Just to be Clear
« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2014, 10:07:45 AM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth
Quote from: Ladislaus
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Quote from: Ladislaus
Pelagian heretic.


Anyone who calls Monsignor Fenton a Pelagian heretic cannot possibly be Catholic.  But we already knew this about you Ladislaus.  I pray you cease worshiping your intellect and your ipsi  dixits and bow to the truth before you die.


Who said I was talking about Monsignor Fenton?  I was clearly talking about YOU.  YOU have repeatedly articulated Pelagian propositions.  I wasn't talking about Msgr. Fenton, nor would I put Nishant into this category.


You said it in response to my OP which is a direct quote from Fenton.  


You have claimed direct quote before and it turned out that 95% was your own embellishment.  Provide and external link.


Just to be Clear
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2014, 01:20:25 PM »
(1) The teaching that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church is a dogma of the Catholic faith.

(2) This dogma has always been taught, and will always be taught, infallibly by the Church's magisterium.

(3) The dogma must be understood and explained as the Church's magisterium understands and explains it.

(4) The Church is necessary for salvation with both a necessity of precept and a necessity of means.

(5) Because the Church is necessary for salvation with the necessity of precept, any person who knows the Church to have been divinely instituted by Our Lord and yet refuses to enter it or to remain within it cannot attain eternal salvation.

(6) The Church is a general and necessary means for salvation, not by reason of any intrinsic necessity, but only by God's Own institution, that is, because God in His merciful wisdom has established it as such.

(7) In order that a man may be saved "within" the Church, it is not always necessary that he belong to the Church in re, actually as a member, but it can sometimes be enough that he belong to it as one who desires or wills to be in it. In other words, it is possible for one who belongs to the Church only in desire or in voto to be saved.

(8) It is possible for this desire of entering the Church to be effective, not only when it is explicit, but also (when the person is invincibly ignorant of the true Church) even when that desire or votum is merely implicit.


(9) The Mystici Corporis reproved both the error of those who teach the impossibility of salvation for those who have only an implicit desire of entering the Church, and the false doctrine of those who claim that men may find salvation equally in every religion.

(10) No desire to enter the Church can be effective for salvation unless it is enlightened by supernatural faith and animated or motivated by perfect charity.

Did you not call the above the words of a Pelagian?  Do you want to recant while you still can?

Just to be Clear
« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2014, 01:24:10 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus
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Quote from: Ladislaus
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Pelagian heretic.


Anyone who calls Monsignor Fenton a Pelagian heretic cannot possibly be Catholic.  But we already knew this about you Ladislaus.  I pray you cease worshiping your intellect and your ipsi  dixits and bow to the truth before you die.


Who said I was talking about Monsignor Fenton?  I was clearly talking about YOU.  YOU have repeatedly articulated Pelagian propositions.  I wasn't talking about Msgr. Fenton, nor would I put Nishant into this category.


You said it in response to my OP which is a direct quote from Fenton.  


You have claimed direct quote before and it turned out that 95% was your own embellishment.  Provide and external link.


Besides you lie here.  The opposite is the truth. I have caught you many times accusing the vast majority of my articles to be mostly from me and I prove the contrary and render you silent.  On this issue, in my articles, the vast majority are direct quotes from Fenton.  You can accept the fact or not.  But you can not change it or wish it away.  Your beef isn't with me, apart from not liking the Truth I present from others.  

Just to be Clear
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2014, 01:40:54 PM »
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You have claimed direct quote before and it turned out that 95% was your own embellishment.


I'm really somewhat shocked by this direct lie.  I thought better of you Ladislaus.