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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: John 3:5
« Reply #350 on: August 14, 2017, 02:28:03 PM »
Quote from: DZ PLEASE on August 14, 2017, 02:26:19 PM
Thinks or at least asserts we're doing Theology when it won't even conform to rudiments of Scholastic Philosophy = ass/lackwit.
That was amazing!  Thank you for that.
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Re: John 3:5
« Reply #351 on: August 14, 2017, 04:45:59 PM »
I'll ask it again.  This is THE CRUX of our debate...

Quote from: Pax Vobis on Today at 10:46:34 AM
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The Church doesn't have time to condemn every error in the world, thus She teaches what one MUST believe.  Logically, if something doesn't fall into the parameters (or contradicts) what one MUST believe, it is error.  

Baptism is required for heaven  (article of faith)
Baptism = water + Holy Ghost  (article of faith)
BOD = no water + Holy Ghost*  
Ergo, BOD is not Baptism and cannot get one to heaven.

The only thing BOD can provide a soul is sanctifying grace  (per Trent); it cannot provide heaven  (logical conclusion).

*Theoretically.

LOT said:
... The logical conclusion and dogmatic fact and that one in a state of sanctifying grace goes to heaven.

Pax Vobis said:
The Church teaches that BAPTIZED, justified catholics go to heaven.
The Church does not teach that un-baptized, justified persons go to heaven.  She also does not say they go to hell.  She doesn't say they go anywhere.  So we don't know...

I say they go to limbo, since they are not baptized.  You say they go to heaven, just because they are the state of grace, but that contradict's Christ.  I really don't know, but neither of us can say with certainty.  Do you agree?
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: John 3:5
« Reply #352 on: August 15, 2017, 06:54:03 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 14, 2017, 04:45:59 PM
I'll ask it again.  This is THE CRUX of our debate...

Quote from: Pax Vobis on Today at 10:46:34 AM
LOT said:
... The logical conclusion and dogmatic fact and that one in a state of sanctifying grace goes to heaven.

Pax Vobis said:
The Church teaches that BAPTIZED, justified catholics go to heaven.
The Church does not teach that un-baptized, justified persons go to heaven.  She also does not say they go to hell.  She doesn't say they go anywhere.  So we don't know...

I say they go to limbo, since they are not baptized.  You say they go to heaven, just because they are the state of grace, but that contradict's Christ.  I really don't know, but neither of us can say with certainty.  Do you agree?
The Feeneyites teach the justified goes to Hell not the Catholic Church.  
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: John 3:5
« Reply #353 on: August 15, 2017, 07:18:11 AM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 15, 2017, 06:54:03 AM
The Feeneyites teach the justified goes to Hell not the Catholic Church. 
Notice the "sleight of mind" one tard monte of "teaching" with what is GLARINGLY expressed as UNCERTAIN PERSONAL OPINION.

Conclusion from this post? crap comprehension AND/OR guile via LYING
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Offline Lover of Truth

Re: John 3:5
« Reply #354 on: August 15, 2017, 07:43:44 AM »
Quote from: DZ PLEASE on August 15, 2017, 07:18:11 AM
Notice the "sleight of mind" one tard monte of "teaching" with what is GLARINGLY expressed as UNCERTAIN PERSONAL OPINION.

Conclusion from this post? crap comprehension AND/OR guile via LYING
You accept what the Catholic Church teaches.  It is an absurd novelty to claim one who dies justified goes to Hell.
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