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Re: John 3:5
« Reply #325 on: August 14, 2017, 09:46:34 AM »
The Church doesn't have time to condemn every error in the world, thus She teaches what one MUST believe.  Logically, if something doesn't fall into the parameters (or contradicts) what one MUST believe, it is error.  It could be innocent error, or it could be purposeful heresy.  The intention is irrelevant; it's still error.

Baptism is required for heaven  (article of faith)
Baptism = water + Holy Ghost  (article of faith)
BOD = no water + Holy Ghost*  
Ergo, BOD is not Baptism and cannot get one to heaven.

The only thing BOD can provide a soul is sanctifying grace  (per Trent); it cannot provide heaven  (logical conclusion).

*Theoretically.
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Re: John 3:5
« Reply #326 on: August 14, 2017, 10:43:27 AM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 14, 2017, 09:11:18 AM
They can't but won't grant the point because they don't want the Church of Feeney to be proven wrong. There is a reference by a sainted Doctor of the Church that teaches BOD is de fide.  Of course the feeneyites are so bent on their heresy they won't make the logical deduction. 
"Absence of evidence is PROOF of absence" Lover of Lies
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Re: John 3:5
« Reply #327 on: August 14, 2017, 10:56:04 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on August 14, 2017, 09:17:02 AM
There is no explicit decree condemning a BOD by name, nor has an explicit condemnation of a BOD ever been needed. The Church has very good reasons for this, none of which I expect avid BODers to accept, because if they could accept such reasons, they would not be asking for a condemnation explicitly naming a BOD in the first place. 
Pretty much crapcans things like moral theology and moral philosophy. "It isn't expressly verboten, .^. 'game on'!"

Sad to say,  this is something my country in particular not only fall for hook, line and sinker, but push like crack till it interferes with us, then we find WMDs or any other excuse to kill things to the lizards. "And the drones played on…"
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Re: John 3:5
« Reply #328 on: August 14, 2017, 11:00:12 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 14, 2017, 09:46:34 AM
The Church doesn't have time to condemn every error in the world, thus She teaches what one MUST believe.  Logically, if something doesn't fall into the parameters (or contradicts) what one MUST believe, it is error.  It could be innocent error, or it could be purposeful heresy.  The intention is irrelevant; it's still error.

Baptism is required for heaven  (article of faith)
Baptism = water + Holy Ghost  (article of faith)
BOD = no water + Holy Ghost*  
Ergo, BOD is not Baptism and cannot get one to heaven.

The only thing BOD can provide a soul is sanctifying grace  (per Trent); it cannot provide heaven  (logical conclusion).

*Theoretically.
What hat did you hat did you pull that from?  The logical conclusion and dogmatic fact and that one in a state of sanctifying grace goes to heaven.
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Re: John 3:5
« Reply #329 on: August 14, 2017, 11:19:14 AM »
Quote from: Lover of Truth on August 14, 2017, 11:00:12 AM
What hat did you hat did you pull that from?  The logical conclusion and dogmatic fact and that one in a state of sanctifying grace goes to heaven.
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