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Offline JohnAnthonyMarie

Re: John 3:5
« Reply #335 on: August 14, 2017, 11:44:33 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on August 14, 2017, 11:42:02 AM
Yes JAM, we know you are trying to prove the infallible teachings are wrong, we get that.
Infallible teachings can't be wrong, that's silly.
All the Truths espoused by the Church compliment each other.
There is no part of the whole that is against itself.
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: John 3:5
« Reply #336 on: August 14, 2017, 11:59:14 AM »
Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie on August 14, 2017, 11:44:33 AM
Infallible teachings can't be wrong, that's silly.
All the Truths espoused by the Church compliment each other.
There is no part of the whole that is against itself.
"Contradictory = complimentary" JAM and all the other clone-troopers. sa "newthink" and "Orwell"
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Offline DZ PLEASE

Re: John 3:5
« Reply #337 on: August 14, 2017, 12:04:59 PM »
Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie on August 14, 2017, 11:44:33 AM
Infallible teachings can't be wrong, that's silly.
All the Truths espoused by the Church compliment each other.
There is no part of the whole that is against itself.
Excellent material dialectics BTW. This one is premier material. Good thing Stalin isn't around to bu.mp him off.
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: John 3:5
« Reply #338 on: August 14, 2017, 12:07:26 PM »
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The logical conclusion and dogmatic fact and that one in a state of sanctifying grace goes to heaven.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  Now, we are getting somewhere in the debate!  This is the point of contention!  This is the point where the Church has not yet defined it properly, which is why we all waste way too much time arguing about it.

The Church teaches that BAPTIZED, justified catholics go to heaven.
The Church does not teach that un-baptized, justified persons go to heaven.  She also does not say they go to hell.  She doesn't say they go anywhere.  So we don't know...

I say they go to limbo, since they are not baptized.  You say they go to heaven, just because they are the state of grace, but that contradict's Christ.  I really don't know, but neither of us can say with certainty.  Do you agree?
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: John 3:5
« Reply #339 on: August 14, 2017, 12:39:38 PM »
Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie on August 14, 2017, 11:44:33 AM
Infallible teachings can't be wrong, that's silly.
All the Truths espoused by the Church compliment each other.
There is no part of the whole that is against itself.
Then you should be happy to admit that a BOD, being justification through faith alone, is condemned by Trent.....

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"and [if anyone shall say] that, although all are not necessary for every individual, without them or without the desire of them, through faith alone men obtain from God the grace of justification; let him be anathema."

Or will you continue to attempt proving the dogma is wrong?
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