Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: John 3:5  (Read 19358 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Lover of Truth

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8700
  • Reputation: +1158/-863
  • Gender: Male
Re: John 3:5
« Reply #330 on: August 14, 2017, 11:22:46 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!1
  • (@@)
    The above is Feeneyite doctrine.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church


    Offline DZ PLEASE

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2928
    • Reputation: +741/-787
    • Gender: Male
    • "Lord, have mercy."
    Re: John 3:5
    « Reply #331 on: August 14, 2017, 11:28:43 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!1
  • The above is Feeneyite doctrine.
    The above is an idiot.
    "Lord, have mercy".


    Offline Lover of Truth

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 8700
    • Reputation: +1158/-863
    • Gender: Male
    Re: John 3:5
    « Reply #332 on: August 14, 2017, 11:30:15 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!1
  • The above is an idiot.
    More feeneyite theology.
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church

    Offline JohnAnthonyMarie

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1297
    • Reputation: +603/-63
    • Gender: Male
      • TraditionalCatholic.net
    Re: John 3:5
    « Reply #333 on: August 14, 2017, 11:37:03 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • There is no explicit decree condemning a BOD by name, nor has an explicit condemnation of a BOD ever been needed.

    Catechisms that teach Baptism of Desire
    1. A Catechism for Inquirers by Rev. Joseph I. Malloy, C.S.P.
    Reference page 28.
    New York: Paulist Press, 1927.
    Permissu Superiorum: Joseph McSorely, C.S.P., Superior General.
    Nihil Obstat: Arthur J. Scalan, S.T.D., Censor Librorum.
    Imprimatur: Patrick Cardinal Hayes, Archbishop of New York.

    2. A Catholic Catechism for the Parochial Schools and Sunday Schools of the United States. By Rev. James Groenings,
    S.J., translated by the Very Rev. James Rockliff, S.J.
    Reference page 101.
    New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benziger Brothers, 1900.
    With the Approbation of the Most Rev. Archbishop of New York and of Religious Superiors.
    Nihil Obstat: Theodore Van Rossum, S.J., Censor Deputatus.
    Imprimatur: Michael Augustine, Archbishop of New York.

    3. A Complete Catechism of the Catholic Religion. Translated from the German of Rev. Joseph Deharbe, S.J., by the
    Rev. John Fander. Preceded by A Short History of Revealed Religion, from the Creation to the Present Time. 6th
    American Edition. Edited by the Rev. James J. Fox, D.D. and the Rev. Thomas McMillan, C.S.P.
    Reference page 257.
    New York: Schwartz, Kirwin & Fauss, 1912.
    Nihil Obstat: Very Rev. Edmund T. Shanahan, D.D., Censor Deputatus.
    Imprimatur: John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York.

    4. A Catechism Moral and Controversial, Proper for such as are already advanced to some Knowledge of Christian
    Doctrine by Thomas Miles Burke, O.P.
    Reference page 87.
    Permissu Superiorum.
    Lisbon, 1752.

    5. A Catechism of Catholic Doctrine.
    Reference page 80.
    Dublin, 1951.
    Approved by the Archbishops and Bishops of Ireland.
    Imprimatur: Joannes Carolus, Archiepiscopus Dublinensis, Hiberniae Primas.

    6. A Catechism of Christian Doctrine Prescribed for Use in the Diocese of Victoria, 2nd Ed.
    Reference page 36.
    Imprimatur: Alexander MacDonald, Bishop of Victoria.
    From the Preface:
    The writer is indebted to the Archbishop of Toronto for much, if not all, of what is best in this book.
    It has been already done into Spanish,
    and is used in South America.
    Toronto: Madigan & Moylan, 1920.

    7. A Dogmatic Catechism. From the Italian of Frassinetti. Revised and Edited by the Oblate Fathers
    of St. Charles.
    Reference page 188.
    London: R. Washbourne, 1872.
    Recommended by Henry Edward, Archbishop of Westminster.

    8. An Advanced Catechism of Catholic Faith and Practice, Based Upon the Third Plenary Council Catechism,
    for Use in the Higher Grades of Catholic Schools. Complied by Rev. Thomas J. O’Brien, Inspector of Parochial
    Schools in the Diocese of Brooklyn.
    Reference page 82.
    Akron: D. H. McBride & Company, 1901.
    Nihil Obstat: Rev. M. G. Flannery, Censor Librorum
    Imprimatur: Ign. F. Horstmann, Bishop of Cleveland.

    9. An Explanation of the Baltimore Catechism of Christian Doctrine: For the Use of Sunday-School Teachers
    and Advanced Classes. By the Rev. Thomas L. Kinkead.
    Reference page 164.
    New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benziger Brothers, 1891.
    Received approbations from:
    His Eminence Cardinal Gibbons.
    Most Rev. M. A. Corrigan, D.D., Archbishop of New York.
    Most Rev. William Henry Elder, D.D., Archbishop of Cincinnati.
    Most Rev. Thomas L. Grace, D.D., Archbishop of Siunia.
    Most Rev. P.J. Ryan, D.D., Archbishop of Philadelphia.
    Most Rev. William J. Walsh, D.D., Archbishop OP Dublin, Primate of Ireland.
    Right Rev. D. M. Bradley. D.D., Bishop of Manchester.
    Right Rev. Thomas F. Brennan, D.D., Bishop of Dallas.
    Right Rev. M. F. Burke, D.D., Bishop of Cheyenne.
    Right Rev. L. De Goesbriand, D.D., Bishop of Burlington.
    Right Rev. John Foley, D.D., Bishop of Detroit.
    Right Rev. H. Gabriels, D.D., Bishop-elect of Ogdensburg.
    Right Rev. N. A. Gallagher, D.D., Bishop of Galveston.
    Right Rev. Leo Haid, O.S.B., D.D., Vicar Apostolic of North Carolina.
    Right Rev. John J. Hennessy, D.D., Bishop of Wichita.
    Right Rev. Junger, D.D., Bishop of Nesqually.
    Right Rev. John J. Keane, D.D., Rector of the Catholic University, Washington.
    Right Rev. W. G. McCloskey, D.D., Bishop of Louisville.
    Right Rev. James Mcgolrick, D.D., Bishop of Duluth.
    Right Rev. Camillus P. Maes, D.D., Bishop of Covington.
    Right Rev. C. E. McDonnell, D.D., Bishop-elect of Brooklyn.
    Right Rev. P. Manogue, D.D., Bishop of Sacramento.
    Right Rev. Tobias Mullen, D.D., Bishop of Eric.
    Right Rev. H. P. Northrop, D.D., Bishop of Charleston.
    Right Rev. Henry Joseph Richter. D.D., Bishop of Grand Rapids.
    Right Rev. S. V. Ryan, D.D., Bishop of Buffalo.
    Right Rev. L. Scanlan, D.D., Bishop of Salt Lake.

    10. Anecdotes and Examples Illustrating the Catholic Catechism. Selected and Arranged by Rev. Francis Spirago,
    Professor of Theology. Supplemented, Adapted to the Baltimore Catechism, and Edited by Rev. James J. Baxter, D.D.
    Reference page 166.
    New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benziger Brothers, 1904.
    Nihil Obstat: Remigius Lafort, S.T.L., Censor Librorum.
    Imprimatur: John M. Farley, D.D., Archbishop of New York.

    11. Biblical Treasury of the Catechism, 3rd Ed. Complied and Arranged by Rev. Thomas E. Cox.
    Reference page 182.
    New York: William H. Young & Company, 1900.
    Nihil Obstat: T. L. Spalding.
    Imprimatur: Patrick A. Feehan, D.D., Archbishop of Chicago.

    12. Catechism Made Easy, Being a Familiar Explanation of the Catechism of Christian Doctrine, Vol III. by
    Rev. Henry Gibson, Late Catholic Chaplain to the Kirkdale Gaoland Kirkdale Industrial Schools.
    Reference pages 15 and 38.
    London: R Washbourne, 1877.
    Nihil Obstat: Carolus Canonicus Teebay.
    Imprimatur: Bernardus, Episcupus Liverpolitanus.

    13. Catechism: Doctrinal, Moral, Historical, and Liturgical with Answers to the Objections Drawn from the
    Sciences Against Religion, Vol. III., 8th Ed. by the Rev. Patrick Power.
    Reference page 177.
    London: Burns and Oates, 1905.
    With Episcopal Approbation.

    14. Catechism of the Diocese of Paris. Translated from the French by M. J. Piercy.
    Reference page 221.
    London: Richardson and Son, 1850.
    Approbations:
    Haying carefully perused the following Translation of an excellent and copious Catechism, published by order
    of the late saintly Archbishop of Paris, we hesitate not to recommend the same to the English reader, as an
    elaborate and complete exposition of Catholic doctrine and practice; suitable, from its peculiar plan, as
    well for the elementary instruction of young persons, as for the edification and benefit of those of riper age.

    William, Bishop of Ariopolis, Vicar Apostolic of the Eastern District.
    George, Bishop of Tloa, Vicar Apostolic of the Lancashire District.
    Bishop Eton.
    William, Bishop of Samosata.
    Robert Hogarth, G.V.—Y. D.

    15. Catechism of the ''Summa Theologica" of Saint Thomas Aquinas for the Use of the Faithful. By R. P. Thomas Pègues,
    O.P., Master in Theology. Adapted from the French and done into English by Aelred Whitacre, O.P.
    Reference page 249.
    London: Burns Oates and Washbourne Limited, 1922.
    Received the approbation of Pope Benedict XV.

    16. The Catechumen: An Aid to the Intelligent Knowledge of the Catechism. By J. G. Wenham, Canon of Southwark,
    and Diocesan Inspector of Schools.
    Reference page 293.
    London: Burns and Oates, 1888.
    Nihil Obstat: Thomas Can. Lalor, Censor Deputatus.

    17. The Catechism Explained: An Exhaustive Exposition of the Christian Religion, With Special Reference to the
    Present State of Society and the Spirit of the Age. A Practical Manual for the Use of the Preacher, the Catechist,
    the Teacher, and the Family. Eighth Edition. From the Original of Rev. Francis Spirago, Professor of Theology. Edited by Rev. Richard F. Clarke, S.J.
    Reference page 580.
    New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benziger Brothers, 1899.

    18. The Catechism, or, Christian Doctrine, by Way of Question and Answer, Drawn Chiefly from the Express Word of
    God, and Other Pure Sources. 3rd Ed. by the Rev. Andrew Donlevy, LL.D.
    Reference page 229.
    Dublin: James Duffy, 1848.
    Approbations:
    I do hereby testify to have attentively read and examined the Irish and English Catechism, compiled by M. Andrew
    Donlevy, Director of the Irish Community at Paris, which, in all points, is very conformable to both Scripture
    and Tradition, and very useful to all those who are charged with the instruction of the Faithful in the kingdom
    of Ireland, as clearly containing the Articles of Faith and Purity of Christian Morality. At Paris, the eighteenth
    of April, 1741.
    Michael O’Gara, Archbishop of Tuam.
    Similar Approbations were given at the same time by—
    James Gallagher, Bishop of Kildare.
    Patrick Macdonogh, Bishop of Killaloe.
    F. B. Kelly, O.S.F., Doctor of Sorbonne.
    Patrick Corr, Doctor of Sorbonne and Provisor of the Irish College.
    Mathew Mackenna, Doctor of Sorbonne and Provisor of the Irish College.
    Richard Hennessy, Licentiate of Sorbonne.
    F. J. Duany, O.E.S.A., Doctor of Sorbonne.
    Francis Devereux, Principal of the Irish College.

    19. The Catechism of Rodez Explained in Form of Sermons: A Work Equally Useful to the Clergy, Religious
    Communities, and Faithful. By the Abbe Luche.
    Reference page 395.
    St. Louis: B. Herder, 1898.
    Recommended by Rt. Rev. Ign. F. Horstmann, D.D., Bishop of Cleveland.
    Received the approbation of Louis-August, Bishop of Rodez.

    20. The Catechism in Examples by the Rev. D. Chisholm, Vol. IV. 3rd Ed.
    Reference page 59.
    London: Burns Oates & Washbourne LTD., 1918.
    Nihil Obstat: Franciscus M. Wyndham, Censor Deputatus.
    Imprimatur: Gulielmus, Episcopus Arindelensis, Vicarius Generalis.
    From the preface to the Second Edition:

    The unprecedented success which attended the publication of the First Edition of " The Catechism in Examples," and the demand which is now being constantly made for the book, has induced the author to undertake the publication of an entirely new edition, in which, while adhering to the original plan, he has not only thoroughly revised, but also considerably developed, the contents of the work.
    The book in its first form found its way literally into every part of the world, and demands for a reissue have recently reached the author from almost every country in the Continent of Europe, as well as from America, Australia, Africa, North and South; Ireland especially has been most zealous in its propagation in the past, and in present demands for its reappearance.
    His late Holiness, Leo XIII., not only gave the book his special approbation and blessing, when brought to his notice by two Archbishops, but asked the author to furnish a copy of it for the Papal Library (see Tablet, February 25, 1888, p. 300). Many members of the Hierarchy have also given it their approbation and commendation, and the teaching Orders of the Church, as well as the clergy in charge of schools, have distributed it in profusion among the prizes they gave to the children under their care; and in many a Catholic home it is the favourite book for pious reading in the family.

    21. The Catechism of the Ecclesiastical Provinces of Quebec, Montreal, Ottawa.
    Reference page 30.
    Quebec: Printing Establishment of A. Cote & Co., 1888.
    Approved by the Archbishops and Bishops of those Provinces and Published at Their Order.
    Imprimatur: E. A. Card. Taschereau, Archpus Quebecen.

    22. The Catechism of Saint Pius X.
    Reference page 52.
    Approved of by Pope St. Pius X.

    23. Teacher’s Handbook to the Catechism: A Practical Explanation of Catholic Doctrine for School and Pulpit. With Special Regard and Minute Directions for the Catechizing of Children, Vol. III. by the Rev. A. Urban.
    Reference page 35.
    New York: Joseph H. Wagner, 1904.
    Nihil Obstat: Remigius Lafort, S.T.L., Censor Librorum
    Imprimatur: Joannes M. Farley, D.D., Archiepiscopus.

    24. The Douay Catechism of 1649: An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine. With Proofs of Scripture on Points Controverted by Way of Question and Answer. By Henry Tuberville, D.D.
    Reference page 80.
    New York: John P. Kennedy, 1833.
    Approved and Recommended for His Diocese, by the Right Rev. Benedict, Bishop of Boston.

    25. The Poor Man's Catechism; or, the Christian Doctrine Explained with Short Admonitions. By John Mannock, O.S.B.
    Reference page 156.
    Dublin: Richard Coyne, 1825.

    26. The Real Principles of Catholics; Or, a Catechism by Way of General Instruction Explaining the Principle Points of the Doctrine & Ceremonies of the Catholic Church, 4th Ed. by the Right Rev. Dr. Hornihold, titular Bishop of Phiomelia and Vicar Apostolic of the Midland District, England.
    Reference page 211.
    Dublin: Richard Coyne, 1821.
    Approbations:
    The following Approbations will it is trusted appear decisive as to the Merits of this Work.
    We approve highly of Doctor Hornihold’s book, “The Real Principles of Catholics, &c.” and we recommend it highly for perusal to Roman Catholics of this Archdiocese.
    Thomas Troy, D.D. &c.
    Daniel Murray, D.D.
    M. H. Hamill, D.D.

    27. A Full Course of Instructions for the Use of Catechists; Being An Explanation of the Catechism Entitled "An Abridgment Of Christian Doctrine." By the Rev. John Perry.
    Reference page 271.
    New York: D. & J. Sadlier & Co., 1860.
    Approbations:
    Approbation of the Most Rev. John Hughes, D.D., Archbishop of New York:
    The publication of “Perry's Instructions on the Catechism,” by Messrs. Sadlier & Co., has my entire approval.
    Recommendation of the Right Rev. Bishop Bayley, Bishop of Newark:
    I am glad to hear that you intend to republish "Perry's Instructions on the Catechism." It is an excellent little book. As a manual for catechists, or as a book of instruction, developing and explaining the Catechism, it is the best work of the sort I am acquainted with.
    Approbation of the English Edition by the Right Rev, Dr. Wareing Bishop of Ariopolis, Vicar Apostolic of the Eastern District:
    Having attentively perused the work of the Rev. John Perry…I have great pleasure in recommending the same, as an orthodox and useful exposition of Catholic doctrine, and well calculated to assist as well those who seek for instruction as those who are employed in giving catechetical discourses.

    28. Dogmatic and Scriptural Foundation for Catechists: Notes on Baltimore Catechism No. 3 by Rev. Francis J. Connell, C.SS.R., S.T.D., LL.D, L.H.D.
    Reference page 48.
    New Jersey: Confraternity Publications, 1955.
    Imprimi Potest: Very Rev. James Connolly, C.SS.R., Provincial of the Baltimore Province of  the Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer.
    Nihil Obstat: Bede Babo, O.S.B., Censor librorum.
    Imprimatur:  James A. Mcnulty, Bishop of Paterson.

    29. The Baltimore Catechism No. 3 Prepared and Enjoined by Order of the Third Plenary Council of Baltimore (In Accordance with the New Canon Law).
    Reference page 53.
    New York, Boston, Cincinnati, Chicago, San Francisco: Benziger Brothers, 1885.
    Approbation from James Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Apostolic Delegate:
    The Catechism ordered by the Third Plenary Council of Baltimore, having been diligently compiled and examined, is hereby approved.
    Imprimatur: John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York.
    Nihil Obstat: Rev. Remigius Lafort, S.T.L., Censor Librorum.
    Imprimatur: Michael Augustine, Archbishop of New York.
    Nihil Obstat: Arthur J. Scanlan, S.T.D., Censor Librorum.
    Imprimatur: Patrick J. Hayes, D.D., Archbishop of New York.

    30. The Catechism of the Council of Trent.
    Reference page 159.
    Ordered by the Council of Trent
    Edited by St. Charles Borromeo and approved of by St. Pope Pius V.
    Approbations for the Catechism of the Council of Trent taken from the book, A Parochial Course of Doctrinal Instructions for All Sundays and Holydays of the Year Based on the Teachings of the Catechism of the Council of Trent and Harmonized with the Gospels and Epistles of the Sundays and Feasts, Vol I. Prepared and Arranged by the Rev. Charles J. Callan, O.P., and the Rev. John A. McHugh, O.P. Professors in the Theological Faculty of Maryknoll Seminary, Ossining N. Y. With an Introduction by the Most Rev. Patrick Hayes, D.D., Archbishop of New York:
    In April, 1545, only a few months after the opening of the Council of Trent, it was decided by the Bishops and theologians of that illustrious assembly that an official book should be prepared for the guidance of pastors and all those charged with preaching and with the instruction of the faithful. It was plain that an explanation of the truths of revelation was always necessary; but at that time, more than ever in preceding ages, it seemed imperative that the faithful should be thoroughly instructed in all the doctrines of faith, because the so-called Reformers had their false teachers and false prophets everywhere abroad, spreading their pernicious errors and endeavoring by all means in their power to turn souls from the way of truth. The need of a complete, popular, and authoritative manual was further heightened by the lack in many of the pre-Reformation clergy of a systematic knowledge and method of explaining the truths of faith, and a consequent neglect of instruction and lack of religious knowledge on the part of the faithful.
    For some years the Council was occupied with other matters which demanded more immediate attention; but in February, 1562, after having defined and re-approved all the leading doctrines and teachings of the Church, the Fathers of the Council resolved that an official Catechism should be written which would treat, in a manner suited for parochial use, all those truths of Christian doctrine with which the faithful ought to be familiar, and upon which they are supposed to be instructed in particular on all Sundays and Feasts of obligation. Furthermore, it was the wish of the Fathers and authors of this great work, and of the Sovereign Pontiffs and Councils that subsequently approved it, that its contents should be so treated as to harmonize with the Gospels and Epistles of the Sundays and Feasts throughout the year. Thus the faithful, while being kept ever in touch with the person and life-giving words of Christ, would at the same time be constantly and thoroughly instructed in all the principal doctrines of that revelation which the Saviour has given to the world for man's salvation.
    After several years of careful labor and numerous revisions, on the part of many Bishops and eminent theologians, the Catechism was brought to completion and issued for the use of parish priests by command of Pope Pius V, toward the end of the year 1566. Translations into the vernacular of every nation were ordered by the Council. No such complete and practical summary of Christian doctrine had appeared since the days of the Apostles. Bishops at once recommended it everywhere and urged their priests so constantly to use and study it for their preaching that its whole contents would at length be committed to memory. It was repeatedly recommended by Pope St. Pius V., and in five Councils held at Milan under St. Charles Borromeo it received the highest praise and commendation. Similar eulogy and commendation were given it by Gregory XIII, the successor of Pius V, by Clement XIII, and in our own times by Leo XIII and Pius X. In short, from the time of its publication down to the present time many Pontiffs and Bishops, and a great number of provincial and diocesan synods in various countries, have vied with one another in celebrating the praises of the Catechism of Trent, and in commanding its use. A few of many testimonies may be useful here.
    Speaking of the Catechism, Cardinal Valerius, the friend of St. Charles Borromeo, wrote: “This work contains all that is needful for the instruction of the faithful; and its matter is given with such order, clearness, and majesty that through it we seem to hear the Church herself, taught by the Holy Ghost, speaking to us. ... It was composed by order of the Fathers of Trent through the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, and was edited by order of the Vicar of Christ.”
    In an Encyclical Letter to the Bishops and clergy of France, of Sept. 8, 1889, Pope Leo XIII recommended two books which all Seminarians should possess, and constantly read and study, namely, the Summa of St. Thomas and the Roman Catechism. Regarding the latter he said: “This work is remarkable at once for the richness and exactness of its doctrine, and for the elegance of its style; it is a precious summary of all theology, both dogmatic and moral. He who understands it well, will have always at his service those aids by which a priest is enabled to preach with fruit, to acquit himself worthily of the important ministry of the confessional and of the direction of souls, and will be in a position to refute the objections of unbelievers.”
    Salmanticenses, the great Carmelite commentators on St. Thomas, paid the following high tribute to the Catechism: “The authority of this Catechism has always been of the greatest in the Church, because it was composed by the command of the Council of Trent, because its authors were men of highest learning, and because it was approved after the severest scrutiny by popes Pius V and Gregory XIII, and has been recommended in nearly all the Councils that have been held since the Council of Trent.”
    Antonio Possevinus, an illustrious Jesuit, and the professor of St. Francis de Sales, said: “The Catechism of the Council of Trent was inspired by the Holy Ghost.”
    In his immortal Apologia Cardinal Newman writes: “The Catechism of the Council of Trent was drawn up for the express purpose of providing preachers with subjects for their sermons; and, as my whole work has been a defence of myself, I may here say that I rarely preach a sermon but I go to this beautiful and complete Catechism to get both my matter and my doctrine.”
    “Its merits,” says Dr. Donovan, who first translated the Catechism into English, “have been recognized by the universal Church. The first rank which has been awarded the ‘Imitation’ among spiritual books, has been unanimously given to the Roman Catechism as a compendium of Catholic theology. It was the result of the aggregate labors of the most distinguished of the Fathers of Trent, . . . and is therefore stamped with the impress of superior worth.”
    Dr. John Hagan, Vice-Rector of the Irish College in Rome, says: “The Roman Catechism is a work of exceptional authority. At the very least it has the same authority as a dogmatic Encyclical, it is an authoritative exposition of Catholic doctrine given forth, and guaranteed to be orthodox by the Catholic Church and her supreme head on earth. The compilation of it was the work of various individuals; but the result of their combined labors was accepted by the Church as a precious abridgment of dogmatic and moral theology. Official docuмents have occasionally been issued by Popes to explain certain points of Catholic teaching to individuals, or to local Christian communities; whereas the Roman Catechism comprises practically the whole body of Christian doctrine, and is addressed to the whole Church. Its teaching is not infallible; but it holds a place between approved catechisms and what is de fide.”

    31. Divine Grace: A Series of Instructions Arranged According to the Baltimore Catechism: An Aid to Teachers and Preachers. Edited by Rev. Edmund J. Wirth, Ph.D., D.D., Professor at St. Bernard's Seminary, Rochester, N.Y.
    Reference page 91.
    New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benziger Brothers, 1903.
    Nihil Obstat: Remigius Lafort, Censor Librorum.
    Imprimatur: JNO. M. Farley, Archbishop of New York.

    32. Familiar Explanation of Christian Doctrine, Adapted for the Family and More Advanced Students in Catholic Schools and Colleges, No. III. By Fr. Michael Müller, C.S.S.R.
    Reference page 295.
    New York: Catholic Publication Society, 1875.
    Approbations:
    Nihil Obstat: Joseph Helmpraecht, C.SS.R.
    Imprimatur: J. Roosevelt Bayley, Archiep. Baltimorensis.

    33. Instructions on the Doctrines, Duties, and Resources of the Catholic Religion. Translated from La Doctrine Chrétienne par Lhomond. 2nd American, from the 8th English Ed. by the Rev. James Appleton.
    Reference page 217.
    Philadelphia: Michael Kelly, 1841.
    Approbations:
    We approve of the republication of the “Instructions on the Doctrines, Duties, and Resources, of the Catholic Religion, translated from the French of Lhomond, by the Rev. James Appleton.” Given under our hand, at Philadelphia, this 3rd day of May, 1841.
    Francis Patrick Kenrick, Bp. Arath and Coadj. of Bp. of Philadelphia.

    34. Works of the Right Rev. Bishop Hay of Edinburgh in Five Volumes, Vol. V: The Pious Christian. A new edition edited under the supervision of the Right Rev. Bishop Strain.
    Reference page 87.
    Edinburgh: William Blackwood and Sons, 1871.

    35. The Converts Catechism of Christian Doctrine by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R.
    Reference page 70.
    B. Herder Book Co., 1930.
    Approbations:
    Imprimi Potest: Francis F. Fagan, C.SS.R., Provincial.
    Nihil Obstat: M. J. Bresnahan, Censor Librorum.
    Imprimatur: Joannes J. Glennon, S.T.D., Archiepiscopus.

    36. A Catechisme; Or, Christian Doctrine by Lawrence Vaux, B.D., Canon Regular and Sub-prior of St. Martin's Monastery, Louvain, Sometime Warden of the
    Collegiate Church, Manchester. Reprinted from an Edition of 1583.
    Reference page 53. Manchester: Charles E. Simms, 1885.

    37. Doctrinal and Scriptural Catechism; Or, Instructions on the Principal Truths of the Christian Religion. By Rev. P. Collot, Doctor of the Sorbonne.
    Translated from the French by Mrs. J. Sadlier.
    Reference page 154.
    New York: D. & J. Sadlier & Co., 1862.
    With the approbation of the Most Rev. John Hughes, D.D., Archbishop of New York.

    38. The Catholic Christian Instructed in the Sacraments, Sacrifice, Ceremonies, and Observances of the Church, by Way of Question and Answer.
    By the Rt. Rev. Dr. Challoner.
    Reference page 33.
    Baltimore: John Murphy & Co, 1852.

    39. Historical Catechism; Containing a Summary of Sacred History and Christian Doctrine. By Monsieur Fleury, Abbot of Loc-Deiu, late Sub-preceptor
    to the King of Spain, the Duke of Burgundy, and the Duke of Berry, 5th Ed.
    Reference page 210.
    Dublin: Richard Coyne, 1834.

    40. The Catechism of the Christian Religion; Being, with Some Small Changes, a Compendium of the Catechism of Montpellier, in which, by the
    Light of Scripture and Tradition, are Explained the History, Dogmas, Morality, Sacraments, Prayers, Ceremonies and Usages of the Church of
    Christ. By Rev. Stephen Keenan.
    Reference page 287.
    Boston: Patrick Donohoe, 1852.
    Published with the approval of the Rt. Rev. John B. Fitzgerald, Bishop of Boston.

    41. Catechism of Perseverance: An Historical, Doctrinal, Moral and Liturgical Exposition of the Catholic Religion, translated from the French
    of Abbé Gaume by the Rev. F. B. Jamison. Fiftieth edition, revised and enlarged.
    Reference page 209.
    Boston: Thomas B. Noonan & Co, 1850.
    Approbations:
    Published with the approbation of the Most Rev. Archbishop of Baltimore.
    We cheerfully recommend to the patronage of the Catholic community the Catechism of Perseverance, translated from the “Petit Catechisme
    de Perseverance” of the Abbe Gaume, as a work well calculated to impart solid historical, liturgical, moral, and doctrinal instruction
    in an agreeable format, and being particularly well suited for the purpose of higher religious instruction in Catholic schools and academies.
    Martin J., Bishop of Louisville.
    Michael, Bishop of Mobile.
    Anthony, Bishop of New Orleans.
    John, Bishop of Galveston.

    42. A Manual of the Catholic Religion for Catechists, Teachers and Self-Instruction, 6th Ed. By the Rev. F. X. Weninger, D.D., S.J.
    Reference page 248.
    Cincinnati: John P. Walsh, 1867.
    Approbations:
    I have read and examined the “Manual of the Catholic Doctrine,” by Rev. F. X. Weninger, S.J., with a great deal of pleasure and delight.
    I know of no work more clear and explicit, or that better meets the exigencies of the times than this; hence, I would exceedingly like
    to see it translated into English, and freely circulated within the diocese.
    John Henry Luers, Bishop of Fort Wayne.


    Omnes pro Christo

    Offline Stubborn

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 13823
    • Reputation: +5568/-865
    • Gender: Male
    Re: John 3:5
    « Reply #334 on: August 14, 2017, 11:42:02 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Yes JAM, we know you are trying to prove the infallible teachings are wrong, we get that.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


    Offline JohnAnthonyMarie

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1297
    • Reputation: +603/-63
    • Gender: Male
      • TraditionalCatholic.net
    Re: John 3:5
    « Reply #335 on: August 14, 2017, 11:44:33 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Yes JAM, we know you are trying to prove the infallible teachings are wrong, we get that.
    Infallible teachings can't be wrong, that's silly.
    All the Truths espoused by the Church compliment each other.
    There is no part of the whole that is against itself.
    Omnes pro Christo

    Offline DZ PLEASE

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2928
    • Reputation: +741/-787
    • Gender: Male
    • "Lord, have mercy."
    Re: John 3:5
    « Reply #336 on: August 14, 2017, 11:59:14 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Infallible teachings can't be wrong, that's silly.
    All the Truths espoused by the Church compliment each other.
    There is no part of the whole that is against itself.
    "Contradictory = complimentary" JAM and all the other clone-troopers. sa "newthink" and "Orwell"
    "Lord, have mercy".

    Offline DZ PLEASE

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2928
    • Reputation: +741/-787
    • Gender: Male
    • "Lord, have mercy."
    Re: John 3:5
    « Reply #337 on: August 14, 2017, 12:04:59 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Infallible teachings can't be wrong, that's silly.
    All the Truths espoused by the Church compliment each other.
    There is no part of the whole that is against itself.
    Excellent material dialectics BTW. This one is premier material. Good thing Stalin isn't around to bu.mp him off.
    "Lord, have mercy".


    Offline Pax Vobis

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 10306
    • Reputation: +6216/-1742
    • Gender: Male
    Re: John 3:5
    « Reply #338 on: August 14, 2017, 12:07:26 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote
    The logical conclusion and dogmatic fact and that one in a state of sanctifying grace goes to heaven.
    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!  Now, we are getting somewhere in the debate!  This is the point of contention!  This is the point where the Church has not yet defined it properly, which is why we all waste way too much time arguing about it.

    The Church teaches that BAPTIZED, justified catholics go to heaven.
    The Church does not teach that un-baptized, justified persons go to heaven.  She also does not say they go to hell.  She doesn't say they go anywhere.  So we don't know...

    I say they go to limbo, since they are not baptized.  You say they go to heaven, just because they are the state of grace, but that contradict's Christ.  I really don't know, but neither of us can say with certainty.  Do you agree?

    Offline Stubborn

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 13823
    • Reputation: +5568/-865
    • Gender: Male
    Re: John 3:5
    « Reply #339 on: August 14, 2017, 12:39:38 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Infallible teachings can't be wrong, that's silly.
    All the Truths espoused by the Church compliment each other.
    There is no part of the whole that is against itself.
    Then you should be happy to admit that a BOD, being justification through faith alone, is condemned by Trent.....

    Quote
    "and [if anyone shall say] that, although all are not necessary for every individual, without them or without the desire of them, through faith alone men obtain from God the grace of justification; let him be anathema."

    Or will you continue to attempt proving the dogma is wrong?
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41868
    • Reputation: +23920/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    Re: John 3:5
    « Reply #340 on: August 14, 2017, 12:56:58 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Again, the request was simple, please provide a Church reference that explicitly condemns Baptism of Desire.

    I agree that there has been no explicit condemnation of Baptism Desire.  Catholics are free to hold that opinion, since the Church has always tolerated it.  There are distinctions that can be made which allow BoD to be held without heresy.  In actual practice, however, 99%+ of BoDers also happen to hold one heresy or another while promoting BoD.


    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41868
    • Reputation: +23920/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    Re: John 3:5
    « Reply #341 on: August 14, 2017, 01:00:30 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • one in a state of sanctifying grace goes to heaven.

    Not absolutely true.  Take the Old Testament just for example.

    Offline Ladislaus

    • Supporter
    • *****
    • Posts: 41868
    • Reputation: +23920/-4344
    • Gender: Male
    Re: John 3:5
    « Reply #342 on: August 14, 2017, 01:02:45 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • They can't but won't grant the point because they don't want the Church of Feeney to be proven wrong.

    Another slander.  I have granted this point many times here on CI.  Church has never explicitly condemned BoD and Catholics are free to believe in it ... provided that they do not at the same time hold other heresies that are almost invariably held along with this opinion.

    Offline DZ PLEASE

    • Sr. Member
    • ****
    • Posts: 2928
    • Reputation: +741/-787
    • Gender: Male
    • "Lord, have mercy."
    Re: John 3:5
    « Reply #343 on: August 14, 2017, 01:32:52 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • LINK man! Crikey you're worse than LoLoT!
    Catechisms that teach Baptism of Desire
    1. A Catechism for Inquirers by Rev. Joseph I. Malloy, C.S.P.
    Reference page 28.
    New York: Paulist Press, 1927.
    Permissu Superiorum: Joseph McSorely, C.S.P., Superior General.
    Nihil Obstat: Arthur J. Scalan, S.T.D., Censor Librorum.
    Imprimatur: Patrick Cardinal Hayes, Archbishop of New York.

    2. A Catholic Catechism for the Parochial Schools and Sunday Schools of the United States. By Rev. James Groenings,
    S.J., translated by the Very Rev. James Rockliff, S.J.
    Reference page 101.
    New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benziger Brothers, 1900.
    With the Approbation of the Most Rev. Archbishop of New York and of Religious Superiors.
    Nihil Obstat: Theodore Van Rossum, S.J., Censor Deputatus.
    Imprimatur: Michael Augustine, Archbishop of New York.

    3. A Complete Catechism of the Catholic Religion. Translated from the German of Rev. Joseph Deharbe, S.J., by the
    Rev. John Fander. Preceded by A Short History of Revealed Religion, from the Creation to the Present Time. 6th
    American Edition. Edited by the Rev. James J. Fox, D.D. and the Rev. Thomas McMillan, C.S.P.
    Reference page 257.
    New York: Schwartz, Kirwin & Fauss, 1912.
    Nihil Obstat: Very Rev. Edmund T. Shanahan, D.D., Censor Deputatus.
    Imprimatur: John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York.

    4. A Catechism Moral and Controversial, Proper for such as are already advanced to some Knowledge of Christian
    Doctrine by Thomas Miles Burke, O.P.
    Reference page 87.
    Permissu Superiorum.
    Lisbon, 1752.

    5. A Catechism of Catholic Doctrine.
    Reference page 80.
    Dublin, 1951.
    Approved by the Archbishops and Bishops of Ireland.
    Imprimatur: Joannes Carolus, Archiepiscopus Dublinensis, Hiberniae Primas.

    6. A Catechism of Christian Doctrine Prescribed for Use in the Diocese of Victoria, 2nd Ed.
    Reference page 36.
    Imprimatur: Alexander MacDonald, Bishop of Victoria.
    From the Preface:
    The writer is indebted to the Archbishop of Toronto for much, if not all, of what is best in this book.
    It has been already done into Spanish,
    and is used in South America.
    Toronto: Madigan & Moylan, 1920.

    7. A Dogmatic Catechism. From the Italian of Frassinetti. Revised and Edited by the Oblate Fathers
    of St. Charles.
    Reference page 188.
    London: R. Washbourne, 1872.
    Recommended by Henry Edward, Archbishop of Westminster.

    8. An Advanced Catechism of Catholic Faith and Practice, Based Upon the Third Plenary Council Catechism,
    for Use in the Higher Grades of Catholic Schools. Complied by Rev. Thomas J. O’Brien, Inspector of Parochial
    Schools in the Diocese of Brooklyn.
    Reference page 82.
    Akron: D. H. McBride & Company, 1901.
    Nihil Obstat: Rev. M. G. Flannery, Censor Librorum
    Imprimatur: Ign. F. Horstmann, Bishop of Cleveland.

    9. An Explanation of the Baltimore Catechism of Christian Doctrine: For the Use of Sunday-School Teachers
    and Advanced Classes. By the Rev. Thomas L. Kinkead.
    Reference page 164.
    New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benziger Brothers, 1891.
    Received approbations from:
    His Eminence Cardinal Gibbons.
    Most Rev. M. A. Corrigan, D.D., Archbishop of New York.
    Most Rev. William Henry Elder, D.D., Archbishop of Cincinnati.
    Most Rev. Thomas L. Grace, D.D., Archbishop of Siunia.
    Most Rev. P.J. Ryan, D.D., Archbishop of Philadelphia.
    Most Rev. William J. Walsh, D.D., Archbishop OP Dublin, Primate of Ireland.
    Right Rev. D. M. Bradley. D.D., Bishop of Manchester.
    Right Rev. Thomas F. Brennan, D.D., Bishop of Dallas.
    Right Rev. M. F. Burke, D.D., Bishop of Cheyenne.
    Right Rev. L. De Goesbriand, D.D., Bishop of Burlington.
    Right Rev. John Foley, D.D., Bishop of Detroit.
    Right Rev. H. Gabriels, D.D., Bishop-elect of Ogdensburg.
    Right Rev. N. A. Gallagher, D.D., Bishop of Galveston.
    Right Rev. Leo Haid, O.S.B., D.D., Vicar Apostolic of North Carolina.
    Right Rev. John J. Hennessy, D.D., Bishop of Wichita.
    Right Rev. Junger, D.D., Bishop of Nesqually.
    Right Rev. John J. Keane, D.D., Rector of the Catholic University, Washington.
    Right Rev. W. G. McCloskey, D.D., Bishop of Louisville.
    Right Rev. James Mcgolrick, D.D., Bishop of Duluth.
    Right Rev. Camillus P. Maes, D.D., Bishop of Covington.
    Right Rev. C. E. McDonnell, D.D., Bishop-elect of Brooklyn.
    Right Rev. P. Manogue, D.D., Bishop of Sacramento.
    Right Rev. Tobias Mullen, D.D., Bishop of Eric.
    Right Rev. H. P. Northrop, D.D., Bishop of Charleston.
    Right Rev. Henry Joseph Richter. D.D., Bishop of Grand Rapids.
    Right Rev. S. V. Ryan, D.D., Bishop of Buffalo.
    Right Rev. L. Scanlan, D.D., Bishop of Salt Lake.

    10. Anecdotes and Examples Illustrating the Catholic Catechism. Selected and Arranged by Rev. Francis Spirago,
    Professor of Theology. Supplemented, Adapted to the Baltimore Catechism, and Edited by Rev. James J. Baxter, D.D.
    Reference page 166.
    New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benziger Brothers, 1904.
    Nihil Obstat: Remigius Lafort, S.T.L., Censor Librorum.
    Imprimatur: John M. Farley, D.D., Archbishop of New York.

    11. Biblical Treasury of the Catechism, 3rd Ed. Complied and Arranged by Rev. Thomas E. Cox.
    Reference page 182.
    New York: William H. Young & Company, 1900.
    Nihil Obstat: T. L. Spalding.
    Imprimatur: Patrick A. Feehan, D.D., Archbishop of Chicago.

    12. Catechism Made Easy, Being a Familiar Explanation of the Catechism of Christian Doctrine, Vol III. by
    Rev. Henry Gibson, Late Catholic Chaplain to the Kirkdale Gaoland Kirkdale Industrial Schools.
    Reference pages 15 and 38.
    London: R Washbourne, 1877.
    Nihil Obstat: Carolus Canonicus Teebay.
    Imprimatur: Bernardus, Episcupus Liverpolitanus.

    13. Catechism: Doctrinal, Moral, Historical, and Liturgical with Answers to the Objections Drawn from the
    Sciences Against Religion, Vol. III., 8th Ed. by the Rev. Patrick Power.
    Reference page 177.
    London: Burns and Oates, 1905.
    With Episcopal Approbation.

    14. Catechism of the Diocese of Paris. Translated from the French by M. J. Piercy.
    Reference page 221.
    London: Richardson and Son, 1850.
    Approbations:
    Haying carefully perused the following Translation of an excellent and copious Catechism, published by order
    of the late saintly Archbishop of Paris, we hesitate not to recommend the same to the English reader, as an
    elaborate and complete exposition of Catholic doctrine and practice; suitable, from its peculiar plan, as
    well for the elementary instruction of young persons, as for the edification and benefit of those of riper age.

    William, Bishop of Ariopolis, Vicar Apostolic of the Eastern District.
    George, Bishop of Tloa, Vicar Apostolic of the Lancashire District.
    Bishop Eton.
    William, Bishop of Samosata.
    Robert Hogarth, G.V.—Y. D.

    15. Catechism of the ''Summa Theologica" of Saint Thomas Aquinas for the Use of the Faithful. By R. P. Thomas Pègues,
    O.P., Master in Theology. Adapted from the French and done into English by Aelred Whitacre, O.P.
    Reference page 249.
    London: Burns Oates and Washbourne Limited, 1922.
    Received the approbation of Pope Benedict XV.

    16. The Catechumen: An Aid to the Intelligent Knowledge of the Catechism. By J. G. Wenham, Canon of Southwark,
    and Diocesan Inspector of Schools.
    Reference page 293.
    London: Burns and Oates, 1888.
    Nihil Obstat: Thomas Can. Lalor, Censor Deputatus.

    17. The Catechism Explained: An Exhaustive Exposition of the Christian Religion, With Special Reference to the
    Present State of Society and the Spirit of the Age. A Practical Manual for the Use of the Preacher, the Catechist,
    the Teacher, and the Family. Eighth Edition. From the Original of Rev. Francis Spirago, Professor of Theology. Edited by Rev. Richard F. Clarke, S.J.
    Reference page 580.
    New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benziger Brothers, 1899.

    18. The Catechism, or, Christian Doctrine, by Way of Question and Answer, Drawn Chiefly from the Express Word of
    God, and Other Pure Sources. 3rd Ed. by the Rev. Andrew Donlevy, LL.D.
    Reference page 229.
    Dublin: James Duffy, 1848.
    Approbations:
    I do hereby testify to have attentively read and examined the Irish and English Catechism, compiled by M. Andrew
    Donlevy, Director of the Irish Community at Paris, which, in all points, is very conformable to both Scripture
    and Tradition, and very useful to all those who are charged with the instruction of the Faithful in the kingdom
    of Ireland, as clearly containing the Articles of Faith and Purity of Christian Morality. At Paris, the eighteenth
    of April, 1741.
    Michael O’Gara, Archbishop of Tuam.
    Similar Approbations were given at the same time by—
    James Gallagher, Bishop of Kildare.
    Patrick Macdonogh, Bishop of Killaloe.
    F. B. Kelly, O.S.F., Doctor of Sorbonne.
    Patrick Corr, Doctor of Sorbonne and Provisor of the Irish College.
    Mathew Mackenna, Doctor of Sorbonne and Provisor of the Irish College.
    Richard Hennessy, Licentiate of Sorbonne.
    F. J. Duany, O.E.S.A., Doctor of Sorbonne.
    Francis Devereux, Principal of the Irish College.

    19. The Catechism of Rodez Explained in Form of Sermons: A Work Equally Useful to the Clergy, Religious
    Communities, and Faithful. By the Abbe Luche.
    Reference page 395.
    St. Louis: B. Herder, 1898.
    Recommended by Rt. Rev. Ign. F. Horstmann, D.D., Bishop of Cleveland.
    Received the approbation of Louis-August, Bishop of Rodez.

    20. The Catechism in Examples by the Rev. D. Chisholm, Vol. IV. 3rd Ed.
    Reference page 59.
    London: Burns Oates & Washbourne LTD., 1918.
    Nihil Obstat: Franciscus M. Wyndham, Censor Deputatus.
    Imprimatur: Gulielmus, Episcopus Arindelensis, Vicarius Generalis.
    From the preface to the Second Edition:

    The unprecedented success which attended the publication of the First Edition of " The Catechism in Examples," and the demand which is now being constantly made for the book, has induced the author to undertake the publication of an entirely new edition, in which, while adhering to the original plan, he has not only thoroughly revised, but also considerably developed, the contents of the work.
    The book in its first form found its way literally into every part of the world, and demands for a reissue have recently reached the author from almost every country in the Continent of Europe, as well as from America, Australia, Africa, North and South; Ireland especially has been most zealous in its propagation in the past, and in present demands for its reappearance.
    His late Holiness, Leo XIII., not only gave the book his special approbation and blessing, when brought to his notice by two Archbishops, but asked the author to furnish a copy of it for the Papal Library (see Tablet, February 25, 1888, p. 300). Many members of the Hierarchy have also given it their approbation and commendation, and the teaching Orders of the Church, as well as the clergy in charge of schools, have distributed it in profusion among the prizes they gave to the children under their care; and in many a Catholic home it is the favourite book for pious reading in the family.

    21. The Catechism of the Ecclesiastical Provinces of Quebec, Montreal, Ottawa.
    Reference page 30.
    Quebec: Printing Establishment of A. Cote & Co., 1888.
    Approved by the Archbishops and Bishops of those Provinces and Published at Their Order.
    Imprimatur: E. A. Card. Taschereau, Archpus Quebecen.

    22. The Catechism of Saint Pius X.
    Reference page 52.
    Approved of by Pope St. Pius X.

    23. Teacher’s Handbook to the Catechism: A Practical Explanation of Catholic Doctrine for School and Pulpit. With Special Regard and Minute Directions for the Catechizing of Children, Vol. III. by the Rev. A. Urban.
    Reference page 35.
    New York: Joseph H. Wagner, 1904.
    Nihil Obstat: Remigius Lafort, S.T.L., Censor Librorum
    Imprimatur: Joannes M. Farley, D.D., Archiepiscopus.

    24. The Douay Catechism of 1649: An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine. With Proofs of Scripture on Points Controverted by Way of Question and Answer. By Henry Tuberville, D.D.
    Reference page 80.
    New York: John P. Kennedy, 1833.
    Approved and Recommended for His Diocese, by the Right Rev. Benedict, Bishop of Boston.

    25. The Poor Man's Catechism; or, the Christian Doctrine Explained with Short Admonitions. By John Mannock, O.S.B.
    Reference page 156.
    Dublin: Richard Coyne, 1825.

    26. The Real Principles of Catholics; Or, a Catechism by Way of General Instruction Explaining the Principle Points of the Doctrine & Ceremonies of the Catholic Church, 4th Ed. by the Right Rev. Dr. Hornihold, titular Bishop of Phiomelia and Vicar Apostolic of the Midland District, England.
    Reference page 211.
    Dublin: Richard Coyne, 1821.
    Approbations:
    The following Approbations will it is trusted appear decisive as to the Merits of this Work.
    We approve highly of Doctor Hornihold’s book, “The Real Principles of Catholics, &c.” and we recommend it highly for perusal to Roman Catholics of this Archdiocese.
    Thomas Troy, D.D. &c.
    Daniel Murray, D.D.
    M. H. Hamill, D.D.

    27. A Full Course of Instructions for the Use of Catechists; Being An Explanation of the Catechism Entitled "An Abridgment Of Christian Doctrine." By the Rev. John Perry.
    Reference page 271.
    New York: D. & J. Sadlier & Co., 1860.
    Approbations:
    Approbation of the Most Rev. John Hughes, D.D., Archbishop of New York:
    The publication of “Perry's Instructions on the Catechism,” by Messrs. Sadlier & Co., has my entire approval.
    Recommendation of the Right Rev. Bishop Bayley, Bishop of Newark:
    I am glad to hear that you intend to republish "Perry's Instructions on the Catechism." It is an excellent little book. As a manual for catechists, or as a book of instruction, developing and explaining the Catechism, it is the best work of the sort I am acquainted with.
    Approbation of the English Edition by the Right Rev, Dr. Wareing Bishop of Ariopolis, Vicar Apostolic of the Eastern District:
    Having attentively perused the work of the Rev. John Perry…I have great pleasure in recommending the same, as an orthodox and useful exposition of Catholic doctrine, and well calculated to assist as well those who seek for instruction as those who are employed in giving catechetical discourses.

    28. Dogmatic and Scriptural Foundation for Catechists: Notes on Baltimore Catechism No. 3 by Rev. Francis J. Connell, C.SS.R., S.T.D., LL.D, L.H.D.
    Reference page 48.
    New Jersey: Confraternity Publications, 1955.
    Imprimi Potest: Very Rev. James Connolly, C.SS.R., Provincial of the Baltimore Province of  the Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer.
    Nihil Obstat: Bede Babo, O.S.B., Censor librorum.
    Imprimatur:  James A. Mcnulty, Bishop of Paterson.

    29. The Baltimore Catechism No. 3 Prepared and Enjoined by Order of the Third Plenary Council of Baltimore (In Accordance with the New Canon Law).
    Reference page 53.
    New York, Boston, Cincinnati, Chicago, San Francisco: Benziger Brothers, 1885.
    Approbation from James Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, Apostolic Delegate:
    The Catechism ordered by the Third Plenary Council of Baltimore, having been diligently compiled and examined, is hereby approved.
    Imprimatur: John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York.
    Nihil Obstat: Rev. Remigius Lafort, S.T.L., Censor Librorum.
    Imprimatur: Michael Augustine, Archbishop of New York.
    Nihil Obstat: Arthur J. Scanlan, S.T.D., Censor Librorum.
    Imprimatur: Patrick J. Hayes, D.D., Archbishop of New York.

    30. The Catechism of the Council of Trent.
    Reference page 159.
    Ordered by the Council of Trent
    Edited by St. Charles Borromeo and approved of by St. Pope Pius V.
    Approbations for the Catechism of the Council of Trent taken from the book, A Parochial Course of Doctrinal Instructions for All Sundays and Holydays of the Year Based on the Teachings of the Catechism of the Council of Trent and Harmonized with the Gospels and Epistles of the Sundays and Feasts, Vol I. Prepared and Arranged by the Rev. Charles J. Callan, O.P., and the Rev. John A. McHugh, O.P. Professors in the Theological Faculty of Maryknoll Seminary, Ossining N. Y. With an Introduction by the Most Rev. Patrick Hayes, D.D., Archbishop of New York:
    In April, 1545, only a few months after the opening of the Council of Trent, it was decided by the Bishops and theologians of that illustrious assembly that an official book should be prepared for the guidance of pastors and all those charged with preaching and with the instruction of the faithful. It was plain that an explanation of the truths of revelation was always necessary; but at that time, more than ever in preceding ages, it seemed imperative that the faithful should be thoroughly instructed in all the doctrines of faith, because the so-called Reformers had their false teachers and false prophets everywhere abroad, spreading their pernicious errors and endeavoring by all means in their power to turn souls from the way of truth. The need of a complete, popular, and authoritative manual was further heightened by the lack in many of the pre-Reformation clergy of a systematic knowledge and method of explaining the truths of faith, and a consequent neglect of instruction and lack of religious knowledge on the part of the faithful.
    For some years the Council was occupied with other matters which demanded more immediate attention; but in February, 1562, after having defined and re-approved all the leading doctrines and teachings of the Church, the Fathers of the Council resolved that an official Catechism should be written which would treat, in a manner suited for parochial use, all those truths of Christian doctrine with which the faithful ought to be familiar, and upon which they are supposed to be instructed in particular on all Sundays and Feasts of obligation. Furthermore, it was the wish of the Fathers and authors of this great work, and of the Sovereign Pontiffs and Councils that subsequently approved it, that its contents should be so treated as to harmonize with the Gospels and Epistles of the Sundays and Feasts throughout the year. Thus the faithful, while being kept ever in touch with the person and life-giving words of Christ, would at the same time be constantly and thoroughly instructed in all the principal doctrines of that revelation which the Saviour has given to the world for man's salvation.
    After several years of careful labor and numerous revisions, on the part of many Bishops and eminent theologians, the Catechism was brought to completion and issued for the use of parish priests by command of Pope Pius V, toward the end of the year 1566. Translations into the vernacular of every nation were ordered by the Council. No such complete and practical summary of Christian doctrine had appeared since the days of the Apostles. Bishops at once recommended it everywhere and urged their priests so constantly to use and study it for their preaching that its whole contents would at length be committed to memory. It was repeatedly recommended by Pope St. Pius V., and in five Councils held at Milan under St. Charles Borromeo it received the highest praise and commendation. Similar eulogy and commendation were given it by Gregory XIII, the successor of Pius V, by Clement XIII, and in our own times by Leo XIII and Pius X. In short, from the time of its publication down to the present time many Pontiffs and Bishops, and a great number of provincial and diocesan synods in various countries, have vied with one another in celebrating the praises of the Catechism of Trent, and in commanding its use. A few of many testimonies may be useful here.
    Speaking of the Catechism, Cardinal Valerius, the friend of St. Charles Borromeo, wrote: “This work contains all that is needful for the instruction of the faithful; and its matter is given with such order, clearness, and majesty that through it we seem to hear the Church herself, taught by the Holy Ghost, speaking to us. ... It was composed by order of the Fathers of Trent through the inspiration of the Holy Ghost, and was edited by order of the Vicar of Christ.”
    In an Encyclical Letter to the Bishops and clergy of France, of Sept. 8, 1889, Pope Leo XIII recommended two books which all Seminarians should possess, and constantly read and study, namely, the Summa of St. Thomas and the Roman Catechism. Regarding the latter he said: “This work is remarkable at once for the richness and exactness of its doctrine, and for the elegance of its style; it is a precious summary of all theology, both dogmatic and moral. He who understands it well, will have always at his service those aids by which a priest is enabled to preach with fruit, to acquit himself worthily of the important ministry of the confessional and of the direction of souls, and will be in a position to refute the objections of unbelievers.”
    Salmanticenses, the great Carmelite commentators on St. Thomas, paid the following high tribute to the Catechism: “The authority of this Catechism has always been of the greatest in the Church, because it was composed by the command of the Council of Trent, because its authors were men of highest learning, and because it was approved after the severest scrutiny by popes Pius V and Gregory XIII, and has been recommended in nearly all the Councils that have been held since the Council of Trent.”
    Antonio Possevinus, an illustrious Jesuit, and the professor of St. Francis de Sales, said: “The Catechism of the Council of Trent was inspired by the Holy Ghost.”
    In his immortal Apologia Cardinal Newman writes: “The Catechism of the Council of Trent was drawn up for the express purpose of providing preachers with subjects for their sermons; and, as my whole work has been a defence of myself, I may here say that I rarely preach a sermon but I go to this beautiful and complete Catechism to get both my matter and my doctrine.”
    “Its merits,” says Dr. Donovan, who first translated the Catechism into English, “have been recognized by the universal Church. The first rank which has been awarded the ‘Imitation’ among spiritual books, has been unanimously given to the Roman Catechism as a compendium of Catholic theology. It was the result of the aggregate labors of the most distinguished of the Fathers of Trent, . . . and is therefore stamped with the impress of superior worth.”
    Dr. John Hagan, Vice-Rector of the Irish College in Rome, says: “The Roman Catechism is a work of exceptional authority. At the very least it has the same authority as a dogmatic Encyclical, it is an authoritative exposition of Catholic doctrine given forth, and guaranteed to be orthodox by the Catholic Church and her supreme head on earth. The compilation of it was the work of various individuals; but the result of their combined labors was accepted by the Church as a precious abridgment of dogmatic and moral theology. Official docuмents have occasionally been issued by Popes to explain certain points of Catholic teaching to individuals, or to local Christian communities; whereas the Roman Catechism comprises practically the whole body of Christian doctrine, and is addressed to the whole Church. Its teaching is not infallible; but it holds a place between approved catechisms and what is de fide.”

    31. Divine Grace: A Series of Instructions Arranged According to the Baltimore Catechism: An Aid to Teachers and Preachers. Edited by Rev. Edmund J. Wirth, Ph.D., D.D., Professor at St. Bernard's Seminary, Rochester, N.Y.
    Reference page 91.
    New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benziger Brothers, 1903.
    Nihil Obstat: Remigius Lafort, Censor Librorum.
    Imprimatur: JNO. M. Farley, Archbishop of New York.

    32. Familiar Explanation of Christian Doctrine, Adapted for the Family and More Advanced Students in Catholic Schools and Colleges, No. III. By Fr. Michael Müller, C.S.S.R.
    Reference page 295.
    New York: Catholic Publication Society, 1875.
    Approbations:
    Nihil Obstat: Joseph Helmpraecht, C.SS.R.
    Imprimatur: J. Roosevelt Bayley, Archiep. Baltimorensis.

    33. Instructions on the Doctrines, Duties, and Resources of the Catholic Religion. Translated from La Doctrine Chrétienne par Lhomond. 2nd American, from the 8th English Ed. by the Rev. James Appleton.
    Reference page 217.
    Philadelphia: Michael Kelly, 1841.
    Approbations:
    We approve of the republication of the “Instructions on the Doctrines, Duties, and Resources, of the Catholic Religion, translated from the French of Lhomond, by the Rev. James Appleton.” Given under our hand, at Philadelphia, this 3rd day of May, 1841.
    Francis Patrick Kenrick, Bp. Arath and Coadj. of Bp. of Philadelphia.

    34. Works of the Right Rev. Bishop Hay of Edinburgh in Five Volumes, Vol. V: The Pious Christian. A new edition edited under the supervision of the Right Rev. Bishop Strain.
    Reference page 87.
    Edinburgh: William Blackwood and Sons, 1871.

    35. The Converts Catechism of Christian Doctrine by Rev. Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R.
    Reference page 70.
    B. Herder Book Co., 1930.
    Approbations:
    Imprimi Potest: Francis F. Fagan, C.SS.R., Provincial.
    Nihil Obstat: M. J. Bresnahan, Censor Librorum.
    Imprimatur: Joannes J. Glennon, S.T.D., Archiepiscopus.

    36. A Catechisme; Or, Christian Doctrine by Lawrence Vaux, B.D., Canon Regular and Sub-prior of St. Martin's Monastery, Louvain, Sometime Warden of the
    Collegiate Church, Manchester. Reprinted from an Edition of 1583.
    Reference page 53. Manchester: Charles E. Simms, 1885.

    37. Doctrinal and Scriptural Catechism; Or, Instructions on the Principal Truths of the Christian Religion. By Rev. P. Collot, Doctor of the Sorbonne.
    Translated from the French by Mrs. J. Sadlier.
    Reference page 154.
    New York: D. & J. Sadlier & Co., 1862.
    With the approbation of the Most Rev. John Hughes, D.D., Archbishop of New York.

    38. The Catholic Christian Instructed in the Sacraments, Sacrifice, Ceremonies, and Observances of the Church, by Way of Question and Answer.
    By the Rt. Rev. Dr. Challoner.
    Reference page 33.
    Baltimore: John Murphy & Co, 1852.

    39. Historical Catechism; Containing a Summary of Sacred History and Christian Doctrine. By Monsieur Fleury, Abbot of Loc-Deiu, late Sub-preceptor
    to the King of Spain, the Duke of Burgundy, and the Duke of Berry, 5th Ed.
    Reference page 210.
    Dublin: Richard Coyne, 1834.

    40. The Catechism of the Christian Religion; Being, with Some Small Changes, a Compendium of the Catechism of Montpellier, in which, by the
    Light of Scripture and Tradition, are Explained the History, Dogmas, Morality, Sacraments, Prayers, Ceremonies and Usages of the Church of
    Christ. By Rev. Stephen Keenan.
    Reference page 287.
    Boston: Patrick Donohoe, 1852.
    Published with the approval of the Rt. Rev. John B. Fitzgerald, Bishop of Boston.

    41. Catechism of Perseverance: An Historical, Doctrinal, Moral and Liturgical Exposition of the Catholic Religion, translated from the French
    of Abbé Gaume by the Rev. F. B. Jamison. Fiftieth edition, revised and enlarged.
    Reference page 209.
    Boston: Thomas B. Noonan & Co, 1850.
    Approbations:
    Published with the approbation of the Most Rev. Archbishop of Baltimore.
    We cheerfully recommend to the patronage of the Catholic community the Catechism of Perseverance, translated from the “Petit Catechisme
    de Perseverance” of the Abbe Gaume, as a work well calculated to impart solid historical, liturgical, moral, and doctrinal instruction
    in an agreeable format, and being particularly well suited for the purpose of higher religious instruction in Catholic schools and academies.
    Martin J., Bishop of Louisville.
    Michael, Bishop of Mobile.
    Anthony, Bishop of New Orleans.
    John, Bishop of Galveston.

    42. A Manual of the Catholic Religion for Catechists, Teachers and Self-Instruction, 6th Ed. By the Rev. F. X. Weninger, D.D., S.J.
    Reference page 248.
    Cincinnati: John P. Walsh, 1867.
    Approbations:
    I have read and examined the “Manual of the Catholic Doctrine,” by Rev. F. X. Weninger, S.J., with a great deal of pleasure and delight.
    I know of no work more clear and explicit, or that better meets the exigencies of the times than this; hence, I would exceedingly like
    to see it translated into English, and freely circulated within the diocese.
    John Henry Luers, Bishop of Fort Wayne.


    "Lord, have mercy".

    Offline Lover of Truth

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 8700
    • Reputation: +1158/-863
    • Gender: Male
    Re: John 3:5
    « Reply #344 on: August 14, 2017, 01:42:46 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • "Absence of evidence is PROOF of absence" Lover of Lies
    Ubiquitously
    I've given you all the proof you need.  
    "I receive Thee, redeeming Prince of my soul. Out of love for Thee have I studied, watched through many nights, and exerted myself: Thee did I preach and teach. I have never said aught against Thee. Nor do I persist stubbornly in my views. If I have ever expressed myself erroneously on this Sacrament, I submit to the judgement of the Holy Roman Church, in obedience of which I now part from this world." Saint Thomas Aquinas the greatest Doctor of the Church