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JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #30 on:** October 30, 2015, 01:15:42 AM »

Quote from: LucasL

Whatever. You'll always find a theologian to support any idea you want, even the idea of "Cosmic God" by a Jesuit theologian who was praised by B16.

You literally can get almost any belief you want and you'll find a theologian that support it.

Good luck in your journey.

P.S: You hold that Baptism of Desire is a dogma, YOU have to provide proof from Church teaching and not theologians.

You're dishonest and no matter what I say you will reply like a spoiled girl.

Nice example. I think most here would agree that any theologian the modernist Ratzinger praises is most likely a modernist also. So, if I can find any opinion, as you say, then why can't you? Then you call me dishonest? What exactly have I done that is dishonest? Quote from Church authorities to support my position in the discussion? And then, you have the audacity to refer to me as a spoiled girl? Seriously? You lack maturity.

LucasL · « **Reply #31 on:** October 30, 2015, 02:37:57 AM »

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Quote from: LucasL
Whatever. You'll always find a theologian to support any idea you want, even the idea of "Cosmic God" by a Jesuit theologian who was praised by B16.

You literally can get almost any belief you want and you'll find a theologian that support it.

Good luck in your journey.

P.S: You hold that Baptism of Desire is a dogma, YOU have to provide proof from Church teaching and not theologians.

You're dishonest and no matter what I say you will reply like a spoiled girl.

Nice example. I think most here would agree that any theologian the modernist Ratzinger praises is most likely a modernist also. So, if I can find any opinion, as you say, then why can't you? Then you call me dishonest? What exactly have I done that is dishonest? Quote from Church authorities to support my position in the discussion? And then, you have the audacity to refer to me as a spoiled girl? Seriously? You lack maturity.

I'm telling you for hours that there's no such thing as Church "authorities" (theologians.) that can define Catholic dogmas!!!!!!!!

instead of searching for it or asking me why I said what I've said you just posted many quotes from theologians which have no authority to define Catholic dogmas, regardless if they are "official" or just people who spent 5 years studying theology.

Your previous comment's in short : "I have 100 theologians on my side which agree on this [BoD] then it's a dogma and you need to find official theologians to refute my theologians"

This is absolutely insanity, you're not only spoiled girl but a person who don't want to study Baptism of Desire , you just want to promote theologian speculations.

clare · « **Reply #32 on:** October 30, 2015, 03:11:17 AM »

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Yet another silly reply. I do not believe you can produce a single Church reference that explicitly says there is no Baptism of Desire in the same context that the Church has taught it.

Exactly.

Why hasn't the Church condemned the writings of theologians, saints, and catechisms, which support BOD? There was plenty of time before VII to do so. And on such an important matter, the Church would surely have issued a clear condemnation, if it were an error.

LucasL · « **Reply #33 on:** October 30, 2015, 03:25:13 AM »

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Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie
Yet another silly reply. I do not believe you can produce a single Church reference that explicitly says there is no Baptism of Desire in the same context that the Church has taught it.

Exactly.

Why hasn't the Church condemned the writings of theologians, saints, and catechisms, which support BOD? There was plenty of time before VII to do so. And on such an important matter, the Church would surely have issued a clear condemnation, if it were an error.

You never studied arguments in favour of BoD and against BoD , you only believe in BoD because it's easier and "makes sense".

I wish there was a infinite thumbs down button just for your comments, really. The fact I can't find where to ignore your comments gives me angry feelings.

p.s: I bet Clare only came here to cause confusion and for bad faith. You are not here to give the person good answers or refute any argument. I really hope that I'm wrong on your bad faith and cynical comments.

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #34 on:** October 30, 2015, 03:33:30 AM »

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Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie
Yet another silly reply. I do not believe you can produce a single Church reference that explicitly says there is no Baptism of Desire in the same context that the Church has taught it.

Exactly.

Why hasn't the Church condemned the writings of theologians, saints, and catechisms, which support BOD? There was plenty of time before VII to do so. And on such an important matter, the Church would surely have issued a clear condemnation, if it were an error.

I put LucasL on HIDE because he seems unable to handle himself in a civil manner.

This is really not a complicated discussion. It is unimaginable to me that a Catholic would question this most obvious Truth. It is well known that the Summa Theologica by Saint Thomas Aquinas was placed on the altar besides the Holy Bible at the Council of Trent. How could anyone imagine the Decrees of Trent being contrary to the Catholic Truths elaborated in Saint Thomas' Summa?