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LucasL · « **Reply #15 on:** October 30, 2015, 12:23:38 AM »

I don't care how many theologians you quote, you can quote two thousands theologians still they can only speculate and propose their conclusions. They can't define what the Church never defined

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #16 on:** October 30, 2015, 12:23:52 AM »

Quote from: Fr. Ludovico Billot, S.J.

"Baptism of spirit (flaminis), which is also called of repentance or of desire is nothing else than an act of charity or perfect contrition includeing a desire of the Sacrament, according to what has been said above, namely that, the heart of everyone is moved by the Holy Ghost to believe, and to love God, and to be sorry for his sins." - De Ecclesiae Sacramentis (Vol. I); Quaestio LXVI; Thesis XXIV - 1931

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #17 on:** October 30, 2015, 12:25:34 AM »

Quote from: Fr. Eduardus Genicot, S.J.

"Baptism of the Spirit (flaminis) consists in an act of perfect charity or contrition, with which there is always an infusion of sanctifying grace connected...
Both are called 'of desire' (in voto)...; perfect charity, because it has always connected the desire, at least the implicit one of receiving this sacrament, absolutely necessary for salvation." - Theologiae Moralis Institutiones (Vol II); Tractatus XII - 1902

LucasL · « **Reply #18 on:** October 30, 2015, 12:26:23 AM »

Quote from: JohnAnthonyMarie

Quote from: Fr. Ludovico Billot, S.J.
"Baptism of spirit (flaminis), which is also called of repentance or of desire is nothing else than an act of charity or perfect contrition includeing a desire of the Sacrament, according to what has been said above, namely that, the heart of everyone is moved by the Holy Ghost to believe, and to love God, and to be sorry for his sins." - De Ecclesiae Sacramentis (Vol. I); Quaestio LXVI; Thesis XXIV - 1931

I don't care how many theologians you quote, you can quote two thousands theologians still they can only speculate and propose their conclusions. They can't define what the Church never defined

You'll die without knowing of Baptism of Desire works the way theologians have proposed because it's a teaching of man and not a teaching of the Church. The only is certain is: Only One Baptism, Only Water Baptism.

So you can quote 2000 theologians for what I care.

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #19 on:** October 30, 2015, 12:29:23 AM »

Quote from: LucasL

I don't care how many theologians you quote, you can quote two thousands theologians still they can only speculate and propose their conclusions. They can't define what the Church never defined

Are you not able to identify a single Church authority that teaches against Baptism of Desire? Says something, no?