Author Topic: John 3:5 (Read 33311 times)

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #10 on:** October 30, 2015, 12:15:37 AM »

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The OP provides the Scripture Annotation for John 3:5, which includes a specific reference to Baptism of Desire. The second post I provided contained a Canon Law reference for Baptism of Desire and included a Church approved commentary. The third post I provided from Pope Pius IX contains a quote which clearly describes both EENS and BoD.

The OP quote is about Baptism of Desire proper, then you bring Pope Pius IX quote of invincible ignorance. These are actually different topics entirely only infused in a single one by liberals who want to diffuse the EENS salutary dogma and want to believe that a Moslem can be saved as a Moslem, a Hindu as and Hindu, a Jew as a Jew, etc?

This is what Modernist have done:

BOD -> Invincible Ignorance -> Universal Salvation -> Indifferentism

In these unfortunate time of crisis, as a friend and member of the Church, ask yourself why do you feel the need to defend and promote precisely what is more contra productive to Christendom restoration?

That is a bit silly. I am simply repeating what the Church teaches. No Catholic would ever imagine that there is Salvation Outside the Church, at the same time, no Catholic should deny Baptism of Desire in the context that it is taught by the Church.

LucasL · « **Reply #11 on:** October 30, 2015, 12:17:04 AM »

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Can you produce a single Church quote that explicitly says there is no Baptism of Desire? I can easily produce quote after quote from Church authorities that explicitly teach Baptism of Desire.

Can you provide a single Church quote that explicitly rejects Baptism of Mankind? No!
Baptism of goldstein? No

SO BAPTISM OF MANKIND MUST BE TRUE !
SO BAPTISM OF GOLDSTEIN MUST BE TRUE !

LucasL · « **Reply #12 on:** October 30, 2015, 12:18:55 AM »

This discussion is pointless. The Church don't teach Baptism of Desire and the only thing you can do is speculate

You'll die without knowing if Baptism of Desire works the way theologians proposed because the Church never defined/teach Baptism of Desire

So deal with it. You'll die without knowing how Baptism of Desire works and if it's possible at all.

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #13 on:** October 30, 2015, 12:20:13 AM »

Quote from: LucasL

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Can you produce a single Church quote that explicitly says there is no Baptism of Desire? I can easily produce quote after quote from Church authorities that explicitly teach Baptism of Desire.

Can you provide a single Church quote that explicitly rejects Baptism of Mankind? No!
Baptism of goldstein? No

SO BAPTISM OF MANKIND MUST BE TRUE !
SO BAPTISM OF GOLDSTEIN MUST BE TRUE !

Seriously? You might want to consider thinking before you post, unless you are trying to look dumb.

Quote from: Fr. H. Noldin, S.J. and Fr. A. Schmit, S.J.

"Baptism of spirit (flaminis) is perfect charity or contrition, in which the desire in fact to receive the sacrament of Baptism is included; perfect charity and perfect contrition however have the power to confer sanctifying grace." - Summa theologiae moralis (Vol. III de Sacramentis); Bk 2 Quaestio prima; 1929

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #14 on:** October 30, 2015, 12:22:02 AM »

Quote from: Fr. Arthur Vermeersch, S.J.

"The Baptism of spirit (flaminis) is an act of perfect charity or contrition, in so far as it contains at least a tacit desire of the Sacrament. Therefore it can be had only in adults. It does not imprint a character; ...but it takes away all mortal sin together with the sentence of eternal penalty, according to: 'He who loves me, is loved by my Father.' (John 14:21)" - Theologiae moralis (Vol. III, Tractatus II) - 1948