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Re: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video)
« Reply #150 on: August 25, 2022, 10:24:14 AM »
Thanks for your responses. I will accept this and pray for more understanding of it. 

Side note: I edited and made corrections to my words. My original wording is not what I meant and I wrote, "Human Incarnation", which is very erred (heretical, too) and is quoted and responded to by Pax but I corrected it with "God's Incarnation" and it's quoted and responded to in DL's response. I tried to edit it before any responses were made but Pax beat me to the punch. I apologize for this.

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Re: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video)
« Reply #151 on: August 25, 2022, 10:35:41 AM »
All I am wanting to do is to use what Trent teaches, only what Trent teaches and to stay on the topic of justification of the unbaptized.

Trent is crystal clear on purpose and by design. It's not V2's scrambled up mess so there is no need to reference saints or priests to try to understand it, because all we need to do is to look up what Trent taught about the matter.

Trent says justification cannot be effected without the laver of regeneration or the desire thereof. To convey finality, they conclude with; As it is written John 3:5.

When they use the words "or the desire thereof", they are condemning a BOD, not teaching it, not implying it might work. When "or the desire..." is understood in context, they can only mean that justification cannot be effected without the sacrament, "or with only a desire thereof" - as it is written...

No matter how one wants to spin "or the desire thereof", you cannot simply ignore Trent saying that justification is impossible without the sacrament.


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Re: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video)
« Reply #152 on: August 25, 2022, 10:38:56 AM »
Stubborn has some strange reading of Trent where he simply truncates the "or the desire thereof".  Unfortunately for him, it is there.
You are the one with the strange reading. Unfortunately for you, you truncate both parts immediately before and after "or the desire thereof." Unfortunately for you, they are there.

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Re: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video)
« Reply #153 on: August 25, 2022, 10:39:47 AM »

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Side note: I edited and made corrections to my words. My original wording is not what I meant and I wrote, "Human Incarnation", which is very erred (heretical, too) and is quoted and responded to by Pax but I corrected it with "God's Incarnation" and it's quoted and responded to in DL's response. I tried to edit it before any responses were made but Pax beat me to the punch. I apologize for this.
No problem, man.  I learned all this stuff from others in the past.  I hope I'm explaining it correctly.

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Re: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video)
« Reply #154 on: August 25, 2022, 10:42:01 AM »

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All I am wanting to do is to use what Trent teaches, only what Trent teaches and to stay on the topic of justification of the unbaptized.
Trent is not the end all, be all.  We don't belong to the "Church of Trent".  There's more to Catholicism than just this council.  In this case, you're too narrow focused.