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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video)
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2022, 05:40:01 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on August 21, 2022, 05:16:57 PM

DL, After making a wonderful point... why did you ruin it, with this slimy snake GIF?  :facepalm:
Because it's funny.
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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video)
« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2022, 10:25:38 PM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on August 21, 2022, 03:41:32 PM
Trent was clear: baptism requires water.

Water is necessary for the Sacrament of Baptism.  No one doubts or denies that, so who cares?

However, a sacrament and the Grace thereof are two different things.  Homey said, "Re-read that last sentence."

For example, one may receive the Sacrament of Holy Communion, yet never receive the Grace thereof, due to interior obstacles.  One can actually receive said sacrament yet continually add to his eternal punishment.  Similarly, one may frequently receive the grace thereof without ever actually receiving the sacrament.

God, who created and sustains water, ins't bound by it when communicating His grace.  Yes, He has made rules for the normal communication thereof, but He may do as He pleases.  Why is that so hard to accept?
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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video)
« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2022, 10:29:35 PM »
Quote from: DigitalLogos on August 21, 2022, 03:41:32 PM
Trent was clear: baptism requires water.

At least we all now know that milk, soda, etc., will not suffice.  That is a relief.
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Offline gladius_veritatis

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Re: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video)
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2022, 10:32:50 PM »
Does anyone following this thread believe ALL of the OT just were raised from the dead and Baptized?  I have heard some claim this and wonder what you think. Thank you
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Offline DigitalLogos

Re: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video)
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2022, 10:55:18 PM »
Quote from: gladius_veritatis on August 21, 2022, 10:25:38 PM
Water is necessary for the Sacrament of Baptism.  No one doubts or denies that, so who cares?
No one? Literally every traditionalist priest and bishop alive today believes that you can be saved without water baptism. Baptism of desire? Baptism of blood? Both are nonsense, yet everyone believes it. Hence why MHFM makes so many videos on that point.

Quote from: gladius_veritatis on August 21, 2022, 10:32:50 PM
Does anyone following this thread believe ALL of the OT just were raised from the dead and Baptized?  I have heard some claim this and wonder what you think. Thank you

Yes, why else would they rise from the dead?
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And the graves were opened: and many bodies of the saints that had slept arose, And coming out of the tombs after his resurrection, came into the holy city, and appeared to many. [Matt. 27:52-53]

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