epiphany is full of it to the point that his eyes are brown when he talks about not getting to "pick and choose what we are to believe".  He's clearly "picked and chosen" what he wants to believe, but then to justify it, he claims that things are taught by the Church.  This is how he fictitiously absolves himself from picking and choosing, by turning it into a tautology, and slandering the Church for teaching what he wants to believe, such as that unbaptized infants can go to Heaven.

People have cited one dogmatic definition after another, such as from the Council of Florence, which teaches that unbaptized infants have "no other hope of salvation" other than the SACRAMENT of Baptism.  But he "picks and chooses" to ignore this, and by ignoring it can continue to pretend that he is following Catholic teaching.  In fact, he is his own rule of faith but then attempts to impose his own beliefs on the Church.  It's not enough for him to pertinaciously adhere to heresy, but he tries to slander the Church as teaching it.

Some "people"? You mean like St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Alphonus, the theologians of the Roman Catechism, or Catechism of Trent? Even Father Feeney read the "or" of Trent as disjunctive, since he recognized one could be justified by a desire for the sacrament, just like the Council of Trent said.

This would be hysterical were it not so sad, such a lugubrious irony. It is so outlandish and odd that a word like "lugubrious" fits precisely.

If we were Protestants, I'd say, "ok, bro, you have your argument from Scripture fixated on your reading of that verse - though JWs and all other heretics latch onto verses and do the same thing - but we disagree." But this is a Traditional Catholic forum, where Prot private interpretation is condemned.

Trad Catholics interpret Scripture as the Church and her authorized teachers, bishops, popes, etc. in catechisms and their ordinary teaching teach them to interpret it. So you do realize that Trent in the passage you - alone with other Feeneyites - with your interpretation controvert says this:



Every Catholic theologian, bishop, etc. who has commented on that "or" - even Father Feeney by necessary implication, since he acknowledged a BOD could justify - has held that "or' to be disjunctive: Every. Single. One.

Which means, unless you separate yourself from the faith of every single Catholic saint, theologian, bishop, etc. since Trent, that the Church above has interpreted John 3:5 to mean a man could be justified by, in the highlight in red from the following quote from Orestes Brownson (who commonsensically and and correctly acknowledged that to die in a state of justification meant one would be saved): "most important to be insisted on is, not that it is impossible to be saved without receiving the visible sacrament in re, but that it is impossible to be saved without receiving the visible sacrament at least in voto et proxima dispositione."

How "Protestant" of you to read John 3:5 the way you and your cohorts do, though you won't see that elephant crossing your path.

epiphany is a Pelagian heretic and also a Modernist heretic.  He is to be ignored.  I would have banned him months ago if this were my forum.

He's no Traditional Catholic but is likely here just trolling.

He makes up nonsense about things allegedly taking place a Traditional chapels that no one here has ever heard of, including many of us who have over the years attended many different Traditional chapels, aligned with different groups.

He also promotes a very loose interpretation of when marriages can be annulled, has asserted that there's rampant physical abuse of women by Traditional Catholic men, asserts that the priests defend the abusers and fault the wives for complaining about it, and promotes the Pelagian heresy that unbaptized infants can go to Heaven and enter the Beatific vision.  He has claimed that many/most Traditional Catholic young men want to marry women who would work while they stayed home and did nothing.  All those that I know would be ashamed of such a situation.  Some have, on this account, suspected him of actually being a female, but he's denied that.  So at the very least he's some self-hating man and a misandrist.

I also suspect, but cannot prove, that he was behind some of the troll posts that started appearing in the Anonymous forum after epiphany signed up here recounting some bizarre things taking place at an allegedly-Traditional chapel.

He sees no issue with Pelagian heresy, but then denounces Feeneyism unequivocally as heresy.  In fact, he knows of no other or worse heresy than Feeneyism, giving Modernist heretics a free pass out of a sanctimonious and self-righteous "charity" that he denounces most Traditional Catholics as lacking (but which he has in abundance).  This reminds me of Bergoglio being proud of his humility and excoriating all others for lacking it and not being "as humble as I".

Here's another one who simply doesn't like EENS dogma, and so he comes up with all manner of justification for rejecting it, even accusing those who don't reject it of heresy.  And, really, Feeneyism is the worst heresy he can think of and, in fact, perhaps the only heresy.

Every point that I made has been demonstrated with quotes from your own postings.  You calumniate me by accusing me of calumny.

You provided no quotes because they don't exist.

I repeat:
You are wrong on every front.  May God have mercy on your soul for such talk against me.

Perhaps it is you who should be banned for such presuppositions, detractions and calumny against me and others on this forum.

2/3 of my points were demonstrated by other posters using your own posts after you had denied making them.  I merely compiled them in the same place.

As for the heresy, you were shown the dogmatic teaching of the Council of Florence and remained pertinacious in your heresy that infants who die without Baptism can be saved.

I can find your own words to back up every single thing I wrote in that post except for the part where I explicitly stated that "I suspect".

Someone disagrees with this?
Wow.
I am on the wrong forum.
Need to find a Catholic one.