Author Topic: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video) (Read 41876 times)

trento · « **Reply #20 on:** August 22, 2022, 01:15:23 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on August 22, 2022, 12:39:59 AM

Mistranslated and misinterpreted ... beside the fact the Catechism is not the Council. You guys just keep posting the same quote mindlessly.

This is nearly a verbatim reference to something written by St. Fulgentius. He says that the confession (of faith) would avail to salvation ... by keeping a person alive until he can receive the Sacrament. "Accident" in English implies death implies death, whereas the actual Latin term means some circuмstance/obstacle, and the sense is that the intention to receive Baptism would avail to justification LEST any obstacle get in the way of their receiving the Sacrament.

Is it just me or do Feeneyites actually believes that any "unofficial teachings", "mistranslations" in Catechisms, etc were allowed to go uncorrected for hundreds of years by the Magisterium. They must have been sleeping on the job!

Ladislaus · « **Reply #21 on:** August 22, 2022, 01:21:54 AM »

Quote from: trento on August 22, 2022, 01:15:23 AM

Is it just me or do Feeneyites actually believes that any "unofficial teachings", "mistranslations" in Catechisms, etc were allowed to go uncorrected for hundreds of years by the Magisterium. They must have been sleeping on the job!

You clearly have no clue about what the term "Magisterium" means. No, the Vatican is not policing and micro-managing every vernacular translation, nor would such a policing entail any kind of exertion of the Magisterium. And, now, what?, are you one of these ridiculous dogmatic SVs who believe that infallibility extends even negatively to preventing the Vatican from allowing any error taking place anywhere around the Church. You had approved Catechisms before Vatican I teaching against infallibility. You can find one imprimartured book after another well before V2 teaching blatant Modernism. You've had Modernist bishops floating around for probably 100 years before Vatican II. And typically the same SVs who make this argument nevertheless reject the Pius XII Holy Week Rites as defective and infected with Modernism.

Sefa · « **Reply #22 on:** August 22, 2022, 02:15:26 AM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis on August 21, 2022, 10:32:50 PM

Does anyone following this thread believe ALL of the OT just were raised from the dead and Baptized? I have heard some claim this and wonder what you think. Thank you

Yes, the gospel of nicodemus and the shepherd of hermas both describe the event of the OT just being raised from the dead with christ and being baptised in the jordan. I'm interested in more sources for it but i could not find any, but there seems to be a strong tradition from it very early on.

Sefa · « **Reply #23 on:** August 22, 2022, 02:27:02 AM »

Quote from: Durango77 on August 21, 2022, 11:30:45 PM

ROFL, any historical reference for that? Seems like you just came up with whatever you could to explain your erroneous position. What about the Good Thief? "Amen, I say to you, this day you will be with me in Paradise." He didn't have to wait 40 days. How did he get baptized? I really just can't fathom how people can blatantly contradict the teachings of Trent.

Paradise means a walled garden, not necessarily heaven. Christ did not go to heaven on good friday, so paradise must refer to being in christ's presence and the good thief descended with christ into hell, which christ turned into a paradise by his presence. It stands to reason that the good thief would also be ressurrected and baptised.

forlorn · « **Reply #24 on:** August 22, 2022, 04:26:27 AM »

Quote from: Sefa on August 22, 2022, 02:27:02 AM

Paradise means a walled garden, not necessarily heaven. Christ did not go to heaven on good friday, so paradise must refer to being in christ's presence and the good thief descended with christ into hell, which christ turned into a paradise by his presence. It stands to reason that the good thief would also be ressurrected and baptised.

Additionally, Hell was divided between the Limbo of the Fathers and Gehenna. Christ only went to the Limbo of the Fathers; He did not free the iniquitous dead. The Limbo of Fathers, being a place for the virtuous, could be called Paradise.

In any case, whatever Our Lord meant, we know He could not have meant Heaven, as it's dogma that He descended into Hell.

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