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Author Topic: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video)  (Read 42104 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video)
« Reply #160 on: August 25, 2022, 12:51:53 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 25, 2022, 12:41:15 PM
Trent's concern was primarily the protestant heresies.  It did not cover everything related to justification.  It only provided us with a few pages on the topic.


Not even close.  Trent is the Holy Ghost speaking to us, who ALSO spoke to use in Scripture and in other councils (and through saints).  We must look at all of it together, for topics which are still hazy, due to modern day errors which have arisen.
So you also will not answer the questions. Instead, you would have us believe that after 18 years in Council, Trent gave us incomplete teachings on the matter.
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Re: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video)
« Reply #161 on: August 25, 2022, 01:20:32 PM »
Trent never said that it's purpose was to concentrate fully on justification and "explain it fully" (if that is even possible?).  How many councils have explained/defined EENS?  3 at least, but we need ANOTHER one to explain the things that the first 3 didn't address.  How is this possible?  Because different eras of humanity have different questions and heresies.  So there's always something else to explain.
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Re: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video)
« Reply #162 on: August 25, 2022, 02:34:47 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 25, 2022, 01:20:32 PM
Trent never said that it's purpose was to concentrate fully on justification and "explain it fully" (if that is even possible?).  How many councils have explained/defined EENS?  3 at least, but we need ANOTHER one to explain the things that the first 3 didn't address.  How is this possible?  Because different eras of humanity have different questions and heresies.  So there's always something else to explain.
Pax, forget it, it really does not matter. You and Lad are both being ridiculous, dodging the issue with excuses and one sidetrack after another.

I may as well have said "whatever the hell you do, please, do not bother referencing Trent unless you can square it with other teachings outside of Trent so we can just keep harping over the same old bs errors!" - because that is what you do, apparently because that is all you want to do. If you can't regurgitate the same tired old arguments  over and over, it is apparent that it does not compute to you.

Even if Trent were proven to be altogether wrong on the matter, all I ever asked was to reference ONLY Trent. What was I thinking? :facepalm:
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Re: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video)
« Reply #163 on: August 25, 2022, 03:19:27 PM »
Just focusing on Trent doesn't solve anything.  My purpose is trying to understand history so I can show others WHY what Trent said is orthodox and agrees with St Augustine, St Thomas etc.  There's so many people who read Trent and then re-interpret it with non-infallible sources (i.e. catechism), which have been liberalized.  I'm trying to ADD to Trent, from infallible sources (or at least, non liberalized sources), in order to show a consistent teaching, so that the non-infallible sources (i.e. catechism) will be proven wrong.

That's the only way to disprove BOD, because there's too many non-infallible sources which muddy the waters.  And Trent is not detailed enough, imo.  If it was, then BOD wouldn't exist.
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Re: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video)
« Reply #164 on: August 25, 2022, 03:30:05 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 25, 2022, 03:19:27 PM
Just focusing on Trent doesn't solve anything.  My purpose is trying to understand history so I can show others WHY what Trent said is orthodox and agrees with St Augustine, St Thomas etc.  There's so many people who read Trent and then re-interpret it with non-infallible sources (i.e. catechism), which have been liberalized.  I'm trying to ADD to Trent, from infallible sources (or at least, non liberalized sources), in order to show a consistent teaching, so that the non-infallible sources (i.e. catechism) will be proven wrong.

That's the only way to disprove BOD, because there's too many non-infallible sources which muddy the waters.  And Trent is not detailed enough, imo.  If it was, then BOD wouldn't exist.
Well, you would find out just how detailed Trent really is if you would try to use only it. But whatever you do, don't use only Trent, for heaven's sake, don't do that.
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