Author Topic: John 3:5 defined as Dogma at Trent, Theologian admits (video) (Read 42032 times)

Durango77 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 21, 2022, 11:30:45 PM »

Quote from: Pax Vobis on August 21, 2022, 11:01:26 PM

I believe the OT (old Testament) Just were baptized in Limbo, when Christ visited there after his death and before the Resurrection. Then they waited 40 days until He ascended into heaven and joyfully followed Him.

I think the miracles of those who were actually raised from the dead was to reinforce the necessity of water. Like the story of St Patrick who resurrected one of the dead kings...who died under the new law, so baptism was necessary for his salvation, which is why he was resurrected. It proves the point of baptism's importance.

The OT Just, on the other hand, did not need baptism under the old law, so they could receive it outside of earthly/temporal rules (aka in Limbo).

ROFL, any historical reference for that? Seems like you just came up with whatever you could to explain your erroneous position. What about the Good Thief? "Amen, I say to you, this day you will be with me in Paradise." He didn't have to wait 40 days. How did he get baptized? I really just can't fathom how people can blatantly contradict the teachings of Trent.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #16 on:** August 21, 2022, 11:31:17 PM »

I agree with DL that the dead raised to life in order to be baptized. How could the just be baptized in Limbo when they lacked bodies? Physical bodies are required to be baptized, thus why they were raised back to life after the Resurrection. What other purpose was there ... just to create a spectacle?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #17 on:** August 21, 2022, 11:32:56 PM »

Quote from: Durango77 on August 21, 2022, 11:30:45 PM

ROFL, any historical reference for that? Seems like you just came up with whatever you could to explain your erroneous position. What about the Good Thief? "Amen, I say to you, this day you will be with me in Paradise." He didn't have to wait 40 days. How did he get baptized? I really just can't fathom how people can blatantly contradict the teachings of Trent.

No, he's speculating. This is not an explanation or proof for any position.

Idiot, the good thief died before the Sacrament of Baptism became mandatory.

I love it when people ROFL only to make fools of themselves in the process.

And you just arrogantly beg the question that Trent teaches Baptism of Desire, where it clearly does not.

Durango77 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 21, 2022, 11:58:52 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on August 21, 2022, 11:32:56 PM

No, he's speculating. This is not an explanation or proof for any position.

Idiot, the good thief died before the Sacrament of Baptism became mandatory.

I love it when people ROFL only to make fools of themselves in the process.

And you just arrogantly beg the question that Trent teaches Baptism of Desire, where it clearly does not.

Straight from the Catechism of the Council of Trent: http://www.catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/Holy7Sacraments-Baptism.shtml

(Adults) Ordinarily They Are Not Baptised At Once

On adults, however, the Church has not been accustomed to confer the Sacrament of Baptism at once, but has ordained that it be deferred for a certain time. The delay is not attended with the same danger as in the case of infants, which we have already mentioned; should any unforeseen accident make it impossible for adults to be washed in the salutary waters, their intention and determination to receive Baptism and their repentance for past sins, will avail them to grace and righteousness.

How the Feeney people can contradict this very clear teaching is beyond me.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #19 on:** August 22, 2022, 12:39:59 AM »

Quote from: Durango77 on August 21, 2022, 11:58:52 PM

Straight from the Catechism of the Council of Trent: http://www.catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/Holy7Sacraments-

Mistranslated and misinterpreted ... beside the fact the Catechism is not the Council. You guys just keep posting the same quote mindlessly.

This is nearly a verbatim reference to something written by St. Fulgentius. He says that the confession (of faith) would avail to salvation ... by keeping a person alive until he can receive the Sacrament. "Accident" in English implies death implies death, whereas the actual Latin term means some circuмstance/obstacle, and the sense is that the intention to receive Baptism would avail to justification LEST any obstacle get in the way of their receiving the Sacrament.

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