No one? Literally every traditionalist priest and bishop alive today believes that you can be saved without water baptism. Baptism of desire? Baptism of blood? Both are nonsense, yet everyone believes it. Hence why MHFM makes so many videos on that point.
Yes, why else would they rise from the dead?
DL, yours is the approach and the attitude of a neophyte, which is why St Paul forbids neophytes to teach.
I seldom go near these bod/bob threads but I must answer your words which I have bolded.
Gladius makes excellent points here.
I refer you to
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/currenterrors/bdesire.htm
BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND BAPTISM OF BLOOD The Catholic Church teaches that martyrdom can be a substitute for baptism of water because by it the person is actually conformed to the Passion of Christ from which springs the efficacy of the Sacrament of Baptism. Hence there is no need to fear for the salvation of catechumens whom the executioner’s sword cuts down before they can be baptized. But, what if, instead of the executioner’s sword, it is sickness or accident that prevents a person from receiving the sacramental rite? Will this person deprived of the grace of martyrdom and Baptism “in re” still be saved? Our Lord Jesus Christ, followed by the Fathers, Popes and Councils of the Church, has taught us that Baptism is absolutely essential in order to win eternal life: “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved...(Mark 16:16 ;John 3:5) . In another case, we know in the Holy Scripture that the centurion Cornelius and his household received the Holy Ghost before they were baptized. (Acts 10:44-48)
It is the teaching of the Catholic Church that when the baptism of water becomes a physical or moral impossibility, eternal life may be obtained by the baptism of blood or by the baptism of desire (voto).
Thesis: Besides the baptism of blood, there is another kind of baptism that can substitute for baptism of water, which is called ‘baptismus flaminis’, a baptism
“in voto”. (proxima fidei)
NOTION & PROOFS OF ITS EXISTENCE: The baptism of desire (baptismus flaminis sive Spiritus Sancti) is a perfect contrition of heart, and every act of perfect charity or pure love of God which contains, at least implicitly, a desire (votum) of baptism. The Latin word flamen is used because Flamen is a name for the Holy Ghost, Whose special office it is to move the heart to love God and to conceive penitence for sin. The "baptism of the Holy Ghost" is a term employed in the third century by the anonymous author of the book "De Rebaptismate".[1] St. Thomas also calls it “baptism of the Holy Ghost" because it is the Holy Ghost giving the Light of Faith and burning love of Charity in the soul. The existence and the efficacy of the baptism of desire to supply the place of the baptism of water, as to its principal effect, are proved from: (A).the Words of Christ, viz. Holy Scripture; (B) Church’s Fathers; (C) the Magisterium of the Church (D) Reason.It goes on to expound on these four points...read on in the article.
I see that Pax has already commented on the rising of the dead.
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