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Author Topic: Immaculate Conception, No Big Deal (Bp. Fellay)  (Read 1973 times)

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Re: Immaculate Conception, No Big Deal (Bp. Fellay)
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2019, 02:53:02 PM »
I think "despising the Catholic Church", and "invincibly ignorant" are probably contradictory concepts.  I'm not certain its possible to be saved without a belief in the Holy Trinity, and I've never said I'm *certain* of this, but if they were, it would still be by the grace of God, not because they "put themselves in a State of Grace" but because God somehow did so. And nobody says any Hindu is born in a state of grace.

More to the point, this still has nothing to do with the immaculate conception.
If one says a Hindu is in a state of grace or can get in a state of grace without baptism, whether they know it or not, they are belittling the Immaculate Conception and the sacrament of baptism. Anyone that thinks that way, should read the Catechism of Trent quotes above, it is just teaching what the dogmas say. God does not make the obligation of baptism to later break it by giving sanctifying grace to any unbaptized in any or no religion. That excuse is just a novel end run around ALL the dogmas on baptism.

Read the Catechism of Trent quotes. Those that have eyes to see, let them see.

Re: Immaculate Conception, No Big Deal (Bp. Fellay)
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2019, 04:45:13 PM »
If one says a Hindu is in a state of grace or can get in a state of grace without baptism, whether they know it or not, they are belittling the Immaculate Conception and the sacrament of baptism. Anyone that thinks that way, should read the Catechism of Trent quotes above, it is just teaching what the dogmas say. God does not make the obligation of baptism to later break it by giving sanctifying grace to any unbaptized in any or no religion. That excuse is just a novel end run around ALL the dogmas on baptism.

Read the Catechism of Trent quotes. Those that have eyes to see, let them see.
The Immaculate Conception refers to Our Lady, She is not to be used as a tool in your attack.