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Title: Jean-Jacques Rousseau on "Invincible Ignorance"
Post by: MarylandTrad on May 24, 2017, 10:35:19 AM
https://archive.org/stream/EmileOrOnEducation-JeanJacquesRousseau/OnEducation-Rouseau#page/n317/mode/2up/search/invincible


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Two-thirds of mankind are neither Jews nor Mohammedans nor Christians, and how many million men have never heard of Moses. Jesus Christ, or Mohammed? This is denied; it is maintained that our missionaries go everywhere. That is easily said. But do they go into the still unknown heart of Africa, where no European has ever penetrated up to now? Do they go to deepest Tartary to follow on horseback the wandering hordes who are never approached by a foreigner, and who, far from having heard of the Pope, hardly even know of the Grand Lama? Do they go into the immense continents of America, where whole nations still do not know that peoples from another world have set foot in theirs? Do they go to Japan, from which their maneuvers got them thrown out forever, and where their predecessors arc known to the generations now being born only as guileful intriguers who came with a hypocritical zeal to take hold of the empire by stealth? Do they go into the harems of the princes of Asia to proclaim the Gospel to thousands of poor slaves? What have the women of this part of the world done to prevent any missionary from preaching the faith to them? Will they all go to hell for having been recluses?
 
Even if it were true that the Gospel has been proclaimed everywhere on earth, what would be gained by it? Surely on the eve of the day that the first missionary arrived in some country, someone died there who was not able to hear him. Now tell me what we are going to do with that person? If there were only a single man in the whole universe who had never been preached to about Jesus Christ, the objection would be as strong for that single man as for a quarter of mankind.
 
Even if the ministers of the Gospel have made themselves heard by distant peoples, what have they told them which could reasonably be accepted on their word and which did not demand the most exact verification? You proclaim to me a God born and dead two thousand years ago at the other end of the world in some little town, and you tell me that whoever has not believed in this mystery will be damned.
 
These are very strange things to believe so quickly on the sole authority of a man whom I do not know! Why did your god make these events take place so far from me if he wanted me to be under an obligation to be informed of them? Is it a crime not to know what takes place at the antipodes? Can I divine that there were a Hebrew people and a city of Jerusalem in another hemisphere? I might as well be obliged to know what is happening on the moon! You say that you come to teach this to me. But why did you not come to teach it to my father, or why do you damn this good old man for never having known anything about it? Ought he to be eternally punished for your laziness, he who was so good and beneficent, and who sought only the truth?


https://archive.org/stream/EmileOrOnEducation-JeanJacquesRousseau/OnEducation-Rouseau#page/n317/mode/2up/search/invincible

 

Title: Re: Jean-Jacques Rousseau on "Invincible Ignorance"
Post by: MarylandTrad on May 24, 2017, 10:41:00 AM
https://archive.org/stream/EmileOrOnEducation-JeanJacquesRousseau/OnEducation-Rouseau#page/n317/mode/2up/search/invincible


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And if the son of a Christian does well in following his fathers religion without a profound and impartial examination, why would the son of a Turk do wrong in similarly following his father's religion? I defy all the intolerant people in the world to answer this question in a manner satisfactory to a sensible man.
 
Pressed by these arguments, some would prefer to make God unjust and to punish the innocent for their father's sin rather than to renounce their barbarous dogma. Others get out of it by obligingly sending an angel to instruct whoever, despite living in invincible ignorance, has lived morally. What a fine invention that angel is! Not content with subjecting us to their contrivances, they make It necessary for God Himself to use them.

 

https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/economics/rousseau/social-contract/ch04.htm#008


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Now that there is and can be no longer an exclusive national religion, tolerance should be given to all religions that tolerate others, so long as their dogmas contain nothing contrary to the duties of citizenship. But whoever dares to say: Outside the Church is no salvation, ought to be driven from the State.
Title: Re: Jean-Jacques Rousseau on "Invincible Ignorance"
Post by: BumphreyHogart on May 25, 2017, 02:42:27 PM
You really should focus on Catholic teaching, not quoting men who were anti-Catholic.

You really should read some recent threads from the last couple of months here. Someone tried to pull off that logical fallacy of quoting Calvin to attempt to make a point. It was made clear in that thread on Calvin that one could even quote Satan for truth or error, but that doesn't mean anything. What means something are the quotes approved by the Church, and Feeneyites regularly reject them.

This area isn't for arguing against universal salvation as promoted by the Novus Ordo, because there is no Novusordian here pushing that.

Read the recent threads there; don't re-invent the wheel.


Title: Re: Jean-Jacques Rousseau on "Invincible Ignorance"
Post by: Ladislaus on May 26, 2017, 11:32:16 AM
You really should focus on Catholic teaching, not quoting men who were anti-Catholic.


OP is simply demonstrating the strong animus against EENS held by these "Enlightenment" types, the same forces that were behind the French Revolution.

Strangely, your positions and sentiments are hauntingly similar to those of these enemies of the Church.  Undoubtedly that's why you're so disturbed by them.
Title: Re: Jean-Jacques Rousseau on "Invincible Ignorance"
Post by: Ladislaus on May 26, 2017, 11:33:17 AM
Nado = Rousseau = Calvin
Title: Re: Jean-Jacques Rousseau on "Invincible Ignorance"
Post by: Ladislaus on May 26, 2017, 11:34:28 AM
Oh, I forgot ... Bumphrey = Nado

So

Bumphrey = Nado = Rousseau = Calvin


 :laugh1:
Title: Re: Jean-Jacques Rousseau on "Invincible Ignorance"
Post by: roscoe on May 26, 2017, 12:28:10 PM
You really should focus on Catholic teaching, not quoting men who were anti-Catholic.

You really should read some recent threads from the last couple of months here. Someone tried to pull off that logical fallacy of quoting Calvin to attempt to make a point. It was made clear in that thread on Calvin that one could even quote Satan for truth or error, but that doesn't mean anything. What means something are the quotes approved by the Church, and Feeneyites regularly reject them.

This area isn't for arguing against universal salvation as promoted by the Novus Ordo, because there is no Novusordian here pushing that.

Read the recent threads there; don't re-invent the wheel.
There is No Such Thing as a 'Feeneyite'.....
Any piece of paper claiming that Fr Feeney was either called to Rome or ex-communicated for not complying is Fraudulent... :ready-to-eat:  :incense: :boxer: :cheers: :fryingpan: 
Title: Re: Jean-Jacques Rousseau on "Invincible Ignorance"
Post by: MarylandTrad on August 10, 2019, 07:20:40 PM
The Freemason Jean-Jacques Rousseau's writings on invincible ignorance are currently being plagiarized by Sean Johnson. Read the quotes from the original post!
Title: Re: Jean-Jacques Rousseau on "Invincible Ignorance"
Post by: ByzCat3000 on August 10, 2019, 08:21:33 PM

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And if the son of a Christian does well in following his fathers religion without a profound and impartial examination, why would the son of a Turk do wrong in similarly following his father's religion? I defy all the intolerant people in the world to answer this question in a manner satisfactory to a sensible man.
 
Pressed by these arguments, some would prefer to make God unjust and to punish the innocent for their father's sin rather than to renounce their barbarous dogma.Others get out of it by obligingly sending an angel to instruct whoever, despite living in invincible ignorance, has lived morally. What a fine invention that angel is! Not content with subjecting us to their contrivances, they make It necessary for God Himself to use them. 
My father is a Baptist "pastor."  I was raised Baptist.  I am Catholic.  Had I clung to my father's religion, and not carefully investigated, I would have gone to eternal ruin.  I can't take this "argument" seriously.
Title: Re: Jean-Jacques Rousseau on "Invincible Ignorance"
Post by: Incredulous on August 11, 2019, 12:29:49 AM
The Freemason Jean-Jacques Rousseau's writings on invincible ignorance are currently being plagiarized by Sean Johnson. Read the quotes from the original post!


Wow... just wow MT.  What an eye you have!   So Johnson is "wilding" now.

BTW, I heard a great lecture by an SSPX priest, (Father Ruiz?) years ago on Rousseau.

He was a madman, but his anti-Catholic theology has kept an insidious influence on modern society. 

What else could preserve such lies than a spell from Kabbalah magic?

Title: Re: Jean-Jacques Rousseau on "Invincible Ignorance"
Post by: roscoe on August 11, 2019, 01:57:58 AM
The homo Jean Jacques denies original sin... :sleep:
Title: Re: Jean-Jacques Rousseau on "Invincible Ignorance"
Post by: MarylandTrad on August 11, 2019, 01:19:04 PM

Wow... just wow MT.  What an eye you have!   So Johnson is "wilding" now.

BTW, I heard a great lecture by an SSPX priest, (Father Ruiz?) years ago on Rousseau.

He was a madman, but his anti-Catholic theology has kept an insidious influence on modern society.  

What else could preserve such lies than a spell from Kabbalah magic?

I would love to listen to an audio recording of that lecture. I studied both Rousseau and Voltaire in college and sometimes had to stop reading their personal correspondences because they were so vulgar. Rousseau's autobiography, Confessions, is especially graphic and shows what a depraved person he was. He undoubtedly chose that particular title for his autobiography because he was deliberately setting himself up as an anti-St. Augustine. Augustine emphasized man's fallen condition and the need for grace, faith, and baptism. Rousseau wrote the exact opposite, claiming that man is naturally good.

Rousseau told Voltaire in one of his letters that he should have three mistresses in honor of the Trinity. They both were clearly filled with a satanic hatred of God. They, with the help of the intelligence of a fallen angel, were able to realize that the most effective way to destroy the Church would be to get people to think that there is salvation outside of her. Voltaire expressed the same hatred for EENS as did Rousseau. I started another thread on Voltaire a couple years ago with a quote of his https://www.cathinfo.com/baptism-of-desire-and-feeneyism/voltaire-on-eens/

Msgr. George Dillon wrote the following about occult practices performed at the tomb of Jean-Jacques in his Grand Orient Freemasonry Unmasked:

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...An idea of these lodges may be obtained from a description given of that of Ermanonville, by M. Le Marquis de Lefroi, in Dictionnaire des Erreurs Societies, quoted by Deschamps, vol. ii, page 93.
"It is known," he says, "that the Chateau de Ermanonville belonging to the Sieur Girardin, about ten leagues from Paris, was a famous haunt of Illuminism. It is known that there, near the tomb of Jean-Jacques [Rousseau], under the pretext of bringing men back to the age of nature, reigned the most horrible dissoluteness of morals. Nothing can equal the turpitude of morals which reigns amongst that horde of Ermanonville. Every woman admitted to the mysteries became common to the brothers, and was delivered up to the chance or to the choice of these true Adamites'. "[Abbe Augustin] Barruel in his Memoires sur le Jacobinisme, vol. iv. p. 334, says "that M. Leseure, the father of the hero of La Vendee, having been affiliated to a lodge of this kind, and having, in obedience to the promptings of conscience, abandoned it, was soon after poisoned." He himself declared to the Marquis de Montron that he fell a victim to "that infamous horde of the Illuminati..."

Title: Re: Jean-Jacques Rousseau on "Invincible Ignorance"
Post by: Incredulous on August 11, 2019, 05:24:33 PM
MT,

I was mistaken.

It was the SSPX's Fr. Juan Carlos Iscara's lecture in 2004.

Here's the conference announcement from an old Verbum news letter Verbum (https://stas.org/sites/sspx/files/v095_fal2004.pdf)

Unfortunately, I couldn't find any video or recording of his lecture?


Title: Re: Jean-Jacques Rousseau on "Invincible Ignorance"
Post by: Ladislaus on August 11, 2019, 06:03:03 PM
JeanSean Rousseau.

Johnson = Cekada = Rousseau ... it's basically the same "theological" reasoning.