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Sedevacantist " Feeneyite " Bishops
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2012, 04:23:12 PM »

Catechism of the Council of Trent:

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Infant Baptism: It's Necessity
That this law extends not only to adults but also to infants and children, and that the Church has received this from Apostolic tradition, is confirmed by the unanimous teaching and authority of the Fathers.

Besides, it is not to be supposed that Christ the Lord would have withheld the Sacrament and grace of Baptism from children, of whom He said: Suffer the little children, and forbid them not to come to me; for the kingdom of heaven is for such; ° whom also He embraced, upon whom He imposed hands, to whom He gave His blessing.

Moreover, when we read that an entire family was baptised by Paul, it is sufficiently obvious that the children of the family must also have been cleansed in the saving font.

Circuмcision, too, which was a figure of Baptism, affords strong argument in proof of this practice. That children were circuмcised on the eighth day is universally known. If then circuмcision, made by hand, in despoiling of the body of the flesh, was profitable to children, it is clear that Baptism, which is the circuмcision of Christ, not made by hand, is also profitable to them.

Finally, as the Apostle teaches, if by one man's offence death reigned through one, much more they who receive abundance of grace, and of the gift, and of justice, shall reign in life through one, Jesus Christ. If, then, through the transgression of Adam, children inherit original sin, with still stronger reason can they attain through Christ our Lord grace and justice that they may reign in life. This, however, cannot be effected otherwise than by Baptism.

Pastors, therefore, should inculcate the absolute necessity of administering Baptism to infants, and of gradually forming their tender minds to piety by education in the Christian religion. For according to these admirable words of the wise man: A young man according to his way, even when he is old, he will not depart from it.


Infants Receive The Graces Of Baptism
It may not be doubted that in Baptism infants receive the mysterious gifts of faith. Not that they believe with the assent of the mind, but they are established in the faith of their parents, if the parents profess the true faith; if not--to use the words of St. Augustine--then in that of the universal society of the saints; for they are rightly said to be presented for Baptism by all those to whom their initiation in that sacred rite is a source of joy, and by whose charity they are united to the communion of the Holy Ghost.


Baptism Of Infants Should Not Be Delayed
The faithful are earnestly to be exhorted to take care that their children be brought to the church, as soon as it can be done with safety, to receive solemn Baptism. Since infant children have no other means of salvation except Baptism, we may easily understand how grievously those persons sin who permit them to remain without the grace of the Sacrament longer than necessity may require, particularly at an age so tender as to be exposed to numberless dangers of death.

Baptism Of Adults
With regard to those of adult age who enjoy the perfect use of reason, persons, namely, born of infidel parents, the practice of the primitive Church points out that a different manner of proceeding should be followed. To them the Christian faith is to be proposed; and they are earnestly to be exhorted, persuaded and invited to embrace it.


They Should Not Delay Their Baptism Unduly
If converted to the Lord God, they are then to be admonished not to defer the Sacrament of Baptism beyond the time prescribed by the Church. For since it is written, delay not to be converted to the Lord, and defer it not from day to day, they are to be taught that in their regard perfect conversion consists in regeneration by Baptism. Besides, the longer they defer Baptism, the longer are they deprived of the use and graces of the other Sacraments, by which the Christian religion is practised, since the other Sacraments are accessible through Baptism only.

They are also deprived of the abundant fruits of Baptism, the waters of which not only wash away all the stains and defilements of past sins, but also enrich us with divine grace which enables us to avoid sin for the future and preserve righteousness and innocence, which constitute the sum of a Christian life, as all can easily understand.


Ordinarily They Are Not Baptised At Once
On adults, however, the Church has not been accustomed to confer the Sacrament of Baptism at once, but has ordained that it be deferred for a certain time. The delay is not attended with the same danger as in the case of infants, which we have already mentioned; should any unforeseen accident make it impossible for adults to be washed in the salutary waters, their intention and determination to receive Baptism and their repentance for past sins, will avail them to grace and righteousness.
Nay, this delay seems to be attended with some advantages. And first, since the Church must take particular care that none approach this Sacrament through hypocrisy and dissimulation, the intentions of such as seek Baptism, are better examined and ascertained. Hence it is that we read in the decrees of ancient Councils that Jєωιѕн converts to the Catholic faith, before admission to Baptism, should spend some months in the ranks of the catechumens.

Furthermore, the candidate for Baptism is thus better instructed in the doctrine of the faith which he is to profess, and in the practices of the Christian life. Finally, when Baptism is administered to adults with solemn ceremonies on the appointed days of Easter and Pentecost only greater religious reverence is shown to the Sacrament.


Sedevacantist " Feeneyite " Bishops
« Reply #41 on: May 23, 2012, 04:28:42 PM »
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Have I spotted a Dimond Doppelgänger?

Hence, denial of the said doctrine of the Church would seem to constitute heresy.


Oh so the Catechism of Trent is heretical then?


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It is Heresy to deny BOB and BOD they have always been believed.


Haha. I ask the same to you. Is the Catechism heretical?

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You feeneyites are not theologians and you do not understand the meaning of the sentences(which are more specific in Latin) that you quote,


Oh, and you are a theologian?

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also everyone at Trent believed in BOD and BOB.


Oh really?

Catechism of the Council of Trent, Baptism made obligatory after Christ’s Resurrection, p. 171: “Holy writers are unanimous in saying that after the Resurrection of our Lord, when He gave His Apostles the command to go and teach all nations: baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, the law of Baptism became obligatory on all who were to be saved.”

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Father Feeney was Excuмmunicated by Cadinal Ottiavani under Pope Pius XII because of his denial of BOD and BOB and only had the Excommunication lifted by Pope Paul VI(which Sede's wouldn't see as valid anyway) in an act of ecuмanism which in and of itself I believe would nullify the lifting of said excom since Excommunications are not vindicative penalties they are medicinal and the offender is supposed to repent before the penalty is lifted.


You're grasping at straws with this, and you reveal your ignorance on the matter.

1- Feeney wasn't excommunicated by Ottaviani
2- His "excommunication" had nothing to do with matters of doctrine, it was because he refused to go to Rome because they ignored the law and didn't present the reasons for his summons
3- All the "clergymen" were hetretics anyways by the time of Feeney. He wrote a letter to all the bishops at the time asking about the salvation dogma and got only 3 positive responses.
4- More importantly, the case of Father Feeney had nothing to do with the other two "baptisms", it was about the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla sallus. The "baptisms" were not the subject of debate, it was whether you could be saved only as a Catholic or not, which all the "clergymen" at the time didn't believe in anymore!


So you (and anyone else) bringing up the Feeney case just shows how dishonest you are.


I would ask that this person be banned, he has just accused Pope Pius XII of heresy, aswell as the good Cardinals and Priests prior to Vatican II.

By the way, Father Feeney's condemnation contrary to what you say had nothing to do with "Outside the Church there is no salvation" that is a lie, it was because he denied that the Catechumens were members of the Church through Baptism of Desire. You have been lied to and are then spreading the lie hopefully for your sake unknowingly.


Sedevacantist " Feeneyite " Bishops
« Reply #42 on: May 23, 2012, 05:52:43 PM »
Prosologion joined today saying:
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I find it funny when someone quotes the Catechism of the Council of Trent in an attempt to defend "baptism of desire" and deny the absolute necessity of water Baptism. They are absolute liars and highly dishonest individuals indeed.


Prosologion later said:
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The statements i presented from the Catechism are clear for anyone with a semblance of honesty and good will.


Prosologion then said:
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Everything is ambiguous and no one can know what a Catechism intended for the masses says.


Prosologion left today saying:
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This is nothing but a waste of time.


Indeed!