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Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
« on: October 07, 2021, 03:11:47 PM »
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  • :confused: Why is there no anti-BOD version congregation like the SSPX or CMRI? Or is there one I never heard of? I know there's Fr. Dominic Crawford, who apparently runs a cult, and Bishop Neal Webster, who apparently has no online presence, but is there seriously no other bishop? What are we EENS, one-baptism believers supposed to do?

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #1 on: October 07, 2021, 03:19:16 PM »
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  • Don't worry, one day you'll get what you desire ;)


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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #2 on: October 07, 2021, 03:27:42 PM »
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  • Well I asked the Dimond brothers why they didn't find a bishop to ordain one of them priests and they told me that there was not one truly Catholic bishop with valid orders that they knew about. I am sure they looked for one.

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #3 on: October 07, 2021, 03:28:41 PM »
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  • 'cause anti-bod ain't a religion!
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #4 on: October 07, 2021, 04:26:34 PM »
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  • Even Most Holy Family Monastery, they are so NOT open about their monastery, if it's even real! They only have a few buildings they show, but I've never seen their chapel or anything, really. They don't show how many monks they have, how to become a monk, or almost anything about their order. Why all the secrecy?!


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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #5 on: October 07, 2021, 11:02:09 PM »
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  • The Dimonds are most likely shills and fakes.  There's plenty of resources that expose them for the phoneys they are but I won't get into all that here.  They're not real monks and I think they are CIA plants personally, to keep tabs on the "trads" to make sure no one gets too close to the actual truth and send people down rabbit holes.  Like most shills, they say a lot of true things but enough deadly poison to make sure you're not actually Catholic or become one. 

    Once upon a time I thought they were great and a harbor of truth in these dark times but I learned later (rather God mercifully enlightened me) that that is not the case.  Be careful with anyone out there purporting to have the full Truth of Catholicism.  Bottom line is that no trad minded has all the answers.  

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #6 on: October 07, 2021, 11:10:14 PM »
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  • :confused: Why is there no anti-BOD version congregation like the SSPX or CMRI? Or is there one I never heard of? I know there's Fr. Dominic Crawford, who apparently runs a cult, and Bishop Neal Webster, who apparently has no online presence, but is there seriously no other bishop? What are we EENS, one-baptism believers supposed to do?
    If this isn't a troll post just keep your head down and go to trad chapel.
    "We dare not even start to hope until the Faith, the true Faith, and its revealed content, are secured in our minds. Only in terms of Faith do we dare to hope."

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #7 on: October 08, 2021, 07:49:23 AM »
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  • If this isn't a troll post just keep your head down and go to trad chapel.
    If anyone says this is a troll post, that's serious calumny. The OP needs to know, and your responses could be life-changing for him and I. I pray there will be a serious answer.


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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #8 on: October 08, 2021, 07:59:21 AM »
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  • There’s no such thing as a BOD-Catholic, or an anti-BOD Catholic.  Go to a Traditional chapel, do penance and pray to God.  Stop getting distracted. 

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #9 on: October 08, 2021, 09:25:51 AM »
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  • The CMRI is fine as long as you don't sit in a pew and start talking about EENS. Just go to your local chapel and live a holy life. We do not need more divisions.

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #10 on: October 08, 2021, 09:33:41 AM »
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  • If anyone says this is a troll post, that's serious calumny. The OP needs to know, and your responses could be life-changing for him and I. I pray there will be a serious answer.
    I thought you were going to say: If anyone says this is a troll post, let him be anathema. :laugh2:


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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #11 on: October 09, 2021, 09:55:04 AM »
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  • The CMRI is fine as long as you don't sit in a pew and start talking about EENS. Just go to your local chapel and live a holy life. We do not need more divisions.
    What about donations in the collection basket? And, what if my son had a vocation to the priesthood or religious life? Really, are we just supposed to ignore the una cuм issue and the three baptisms problem?

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #12 on: October 09, 2021, 11:53:04 AM »
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  • What about donations in the collection basket? And, what if my son had a vocation to the priesthood or religious life? Really, are we just supposed to ignore the una cuм issue and the three baptisms problem?
    As for the collection plate, consider that The labourer is worthy of his reward (1st. Timothy 5:18) and defrauding workers of their wage is one of the four sins that cry out to heaven for vengeance.  There is also the Fifth Preceipt of the Church which is You shall help to provide for the needs of the Church".  Putting aside whether a particular priest should be provided his daily bread, shelter, and transportation, there are requirements for Holy Mass that are provided by workers.  Unless it is outdoors or in a donated space, a chapel was built / converted or a space is rented.  Linens are purchased and regularly laundered.  Hosts, sacramental wine, candles (beeswax, which is more expensive), and incense are made by somebody and are purchased.  Utilities (water, sewer, electricity, heating oil or natural gas) need to be paid for and someone supports their family by working in these areas.
     
    If someone attends a chapel or a periodic Mass provided by a traveling priest for the graces provided, they have an obligation to help with the associated temporal costs according to their means, I believe.
     
    To my knowledge, in the United States (and I am uncertain as to if there are any options in Canada) there are 4 seminaries that offer a traditional formation for Holy Orders, not including the FSSP’S Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary in Denton, Nebraska.  Nor is there a consideration of any self study / apprentice under another priest situations which may exist out there.
     
    These four are:
    • St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary of the SSPX in Dillwyn, Virginia.
    • Mater Dei Seminary of the CMRI in Omaha, Nebraska.
    • Most Holy Trinity Seminary in Brookville, Florida, associated with Bishop Donald Sanborn.  It is in the process of moving to Pennsylvania.
    • Our Lady of Mount Carmel Seminary in Boston, Kentucky, “affiliated” with the SSPX Marian Corps ~ Fr./Bp. Joseph Pfeiffer.
     
    The first is una cuм.  The next two are non una cuм, with number 3 being especially “dogmatic” about the issue from my reading.  Who knows about number 4.
     
    As far as I know, and I am fairly certain, the first three accept the definition of Baptism as given in the Baltimore Catechism and nearly all other pre VII English language catechisms with the Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur.  To my knowledge, and I am fairly certain, the magisterium of the Church has never challenged these catechism.  Who knows what number 4 may be thinking.
     
    The first choice most defiantly provides for valid Holy Orders.  Almost everyone accepts the validity of the Thuc line consecrations of Bishops Mark Pivarunas, CMRI and Donald Sanborn.  Some, while accepting their validity, may question the illicitness of ordinations performed by them, which is another topic.  To even consider the situation with number 4 may require a trip to the Twilight Zone.



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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #13 on: October 10, 2021, 09:45:44 AM »
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  • Is there one resistance group that isn't a cult or infested with spies and troublemakers?

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #14 on: October 10, 2021, 11:18:25 AM »
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  • Well I asked the Dimond brothers why they didn't find a bishop to ordain one of them priests and they told me that there was not one truly Catholic bishop with valid orders that they knew about. I am sure they looked for one.
    Yet, they do, or have gone to a Greek Rite church which is under diocesan authority. A case could be made about the greater safety of a diocesan Greek rite bishop and priest, but it would seem contrary to what they have wrote. They appear to hold to the non una cuм error (older missals and hand missal had the king after Pope and bishop even in countries without a Catholic sovereign, so that's nonsense), so I don't know.