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Offline epiphany

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Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
« Reply #30 on: April 03, 2022, 07:42:11 AM »
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  • I knew him for years ... before he was even ordained a priest.  He’s a good man.  Now, if you’re concerned about the validity of his Orders, that’s a separate matter.

    What do you mean that you don’t trust him?
    Not looking at him as a man, but as a religious.


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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #31 on: April 12, 2022, 11:17:21 PM »
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  • They don't hold the non una cuм position, they even have an article on their website about it: https://schismatic-home-aloner.com/una-cuм-mass/

    As for them being CIA plants: maybe. I don't believe they are personally, but its possible. Present the evidence and we can discuss it, otherwise it's just vain speculation.
    That said, they sure put out some really solid apologetical videos against EO and Protestantism for "CIA plants."
    I was the one who originally posted that they might be CIA plants, I could be wrong on that point but if one looks at a lot of the evidence against them, it's pretty overwhelming that they have some serious issues and are very suspect.

    1.  It's well known that they filter comments in the videos they allow comments on and only leave comments up that point out how "great" they are or occasionally a comment that they can refute.  There's even a few comments saying things like "Looks like these guys are the 2 Witnesses of Apocalypse!" but the Dimonds never remove those comments or in humilty correct them.  Why?

    2.  If one looks at both sides of the lawsuit with Hoyle and not just believing what the Dimonds say about it, the Dimonds don't really come out smelling like roses.

    3.  What they did to Jorge Clavellina was disgusting and Jorge has a lot of refutations of them as he was a hardened Dimondite at one point and has first hand knowledge of what they're like.  Dimond Data is the YT channel.

    4.  "RI" has a lot of material against them as well showing how they are Sarabaite monks and the mysterious death of Joseph Natale and how Mike (Fred) basically took his place without having the proper prerequisites.  I don't really want to link this "RI" guy because of his radical beliefs on other things.  

    5.  They threaten people who don't agree with them on every little point they make.  Even making comments like "we know where you live" or "you wouldn't say that to my face you punk."  Does that sound like monk behavior to you?

    6.  They've been pointed out by several people how they are wrong about JPII being the Antichrist based on the Church Fathers and just common sense but Dimonds still push it.  Why?  Sounds like an agenda to me.

    7.  They never talk about how they were wrong about this or that, no matter what, they behave and come across like they have all the answers to what's going on and will stick to their "script."

    8.  As someone pointed out in another thread they show people how to make a contract with Satan in their 3 hour magician video, if they had any prudence they would leave that out.

    There's more I could say but I'll leave it at that as those are the most important points.  Of course they will have good material as well, shills have a lot of truth on their side or else people wouldn't really follow them, they have to appear to be very Catholic and Holy so of course they will refute Prots and "Orthodox" but it's that 1% poison one has to be vigilant about.  I was a big follower of theirs as well and thought about joining at one point until I was shown what fakes they actually are.


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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #32 on: April 12, 2022, 11:32:06 PM »
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  • I was the one who originally posted that they might be CIA plants, I could be wrong on that point but if one looks at a lot of the evidence against them, it's pretty overwhelming that they have some serious issues and are very suspect.

    1.  It's well known that they filter comments in the videos they allow comments on and only leave comments up that point out how "great" they are or occasionally a comment that they can refute.  There's even a few comments saying things like "Looks like these guys are the 2 Witnesses of Apocalypse!" but the Dimonds never remove those comments or in humilty correct them.  Why?

    2.  If one looks at both sides of the lawsuit with Hoyle and not just believing what the Dimonds say about it, the Dimonds don't really come out smelling like roses.

    3.  What they did to Jorge Clavellina was disgusting and Jorge has a lot of refutations of them as he was a hardened Dimondite at one point and has first hand knowledge of what they're like.  Dimond Data is the YT channel.

    4.  "RI" has a lot of material against them as well showing how they are Sarabaite monks and the mysterious death of Joseph Natale and how Mike (Fred) basically took his place without having the proper prerequisites.  I don't really want to link this "RI" guy because of his radical beliefs on other things. 

    5.  They threaten people who don't agree with them on every little point they make.  Even making comments like "we know where you live" or "you wouldn't say that to my face you punk."  Does that sound like monk behavior to you?

    6.  They've been pointed out by several people how they are wrong about JPII being the Antichrist based on the Church Fathers and just common sense but Dimonds still push it.  Why?  Sounds like an agenda to me.

    7.  They never talk about how they were wrong about this or that, no matter what, they behave and come across like they have all the answers to what's going on and will stick to their "script."

    8.  As someone pointed out in another thread they show people how to make a contract with Satan in their 3 hour magician video, if they had any prudence they would leave that out.

    There's more I could say but I'll leave it at that as those are the most important points.  Of course they will have good material as well, shills have a lot of truth on their side or else people wouldn't really follow them, they have to appear to be very Catholic and Holy so of course they will refute Prots and "Orthodox" but it's that 1% poison one has to be vigilant about.  I was a big follower of theirs as well and thought about joining at one point until I was shown what fakes they actually are.
    Very interesting, I'll check out that YT channel and his blog. Thanks for sharing
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #33 on: April 13, 2022, 06:59:10 AM »
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  • Very interesting, I'll check out that YT channel and his blog. Thanks for sharing

    These are merely criticisms of the Dimonds ... with not a shred of evidence here tying them to the CIA.  Deleting negative comments?  Lots of people do that.  They're mean?  OK.  And?  Where's the tie to the CIA?  Hoyle gave them the money and then later changed his mind.  That would be like if I entered SSPX seminary, gave all my money to them, then decided I didn't like it there and tried to get it back after it was spent.  Canonical irregularity?  That's the entirety of the Traditional movement.  Lots of people don't like the Dimond brothers ... but I fail to see any CIA connection.

    Core problem is their bitter zeal.  They've become bitter against a lot of the people who regularly attack them.  As far as doctrine, I think they're right on most of their points.  It's just that they have crossed the line from zeal into the realm of bitter zeal, and that suffices to explain the vast majority of these criticisms.

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #34 on: April 13, 2022, 07:15:34 AM »
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  • The one post on the blog was just a lot of conjecture and personal criticisms based on one guy's experience with them. I haven't looked at his videos yet, but it looks like more of the same as the guy has a personal vendetta against them due to his experience with MHFM. I'm not saying he's being dishonest, I just don't see how any of this shows that they're anything more than trad zealots.

    These are merely criticisms of the Dimonds ... with not a shred of evidence here tying them to the CIA.  Deleting negative comments?  Lots of people do that.  They're mean?  OK.  And?  Where's the tie to the CIA?  Hoyle gave them the money and then later changed his mind.  That would be like if I entered SSPX seminary, gave all my money to them, then decided I didn't like it there and tried to get it back after it was spent.  Canonical irregularity?  That's the entirety of the Traditional movement.  Lots of people don't like the Dimond brothers ... but I fail to see any CIA connection.

    Core problem is their bitter zeal.  They've become bitter against a lot of the people who regularly attack them.  As far as doctrine, I think they're right on most of their points.  It's just that they have crossed the line from zeal into the realm of bitter zeal, and that suffices to explain the vast majority of these criticisms.
    Exactly. I know personally that they don't "approve" any comments I've made through disqus on their articles and I've had my comments deleted off of their YT. So what?

    And they have a right to defend themselves from critics, which is why they put out their exposes on various trad figurehead who not only attack them, but are also causing their own confusion in traditional Catholicism. Do they cross a line at times? Yes, certainly. But that doesn't make them CIA
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #35 on: April 13, 2022, 07:38:01 AM »
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    8.  As someone pointed out in another thread they show people how to make a contract with Satan in their 3 hour magician video, if they had any prudence they would leave that out.
    I rewatched that video this week, and I had a similar initial impression, but, what's there really doesn't show you anything except some idiot talking about how he read Crowley's book, put down a salt circle with candles, and signed a statement (which was blurred out) with his blood when he "felt" a presence. It didn't lay out any of the other details, so it's not as though they left in anything that could be legitimately replicated.

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    2.  If one looks at both sides of the lawsuit with Hoyle and not just believing what the Dimonds say about it, the Dimonds don't really come out smelling like roses.
    You're right, it doesn't. But neither does the lawsuit that the SSPV and other sede clergy underwent with the SSPX regarding the possession of property, but the court ruled as it did. Same with the Dimonds, the court found Hoyle's claim as illegitimate and ruled in favor of the Dimonds. Maybe it was questionable morally, but its not as if they did anything illegal or "swindled" the man.

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    6.  They've been pointed out by several people how they are wrong about JPII being the Antichrist based on the Church Fathers and just common sense but Dimonds still push it.  Why?  Sounds like an agenda to me.
    I see no agenda there, just informed opinion. I've watched all of their JPII claims, and they have a pretty solid case for him being AN Antichrist, but he misses quite a few marks as THE Antichrist. This one can be chocked up to just poor judgment, not some conscious decision to lead people astray, as JPII was certainly a wicked man spiritually. When Antichrist does come, he will be like Christ and worshipped as such. Not just some antipope preaching heretical, Masonic doctrine.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #36 on: April 13, 2022, 03:02:06 PM »
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  • The one post on the blog was just a lot of conjecture and personal criticisms based on one guy's experience with them. I haven't looked at his videos yet, but it looks like more of the same as the guy has a personal vendetta against them due to his experience with MHFM. I'm not saying he's being dishonest, I just don't see how any of this shows that they're anything more than trad zealots.
    Exactly. I know personally that they don't "approve" any comments I've made through disqus on their articles and I've had my comments deleted off of their YT. So what?

    And they have a right to defend themselves from critics, which is why they put out their exposes on various trad figurehead who not only attack them, but are also causing their own confusion in traditional Catholicism. Do they cross a line at times? Yes, certainly. But that doesn't make them CIA
    Oh, hello. What the dimonds did to Jorge is DETRACTION & it's a MORTAL sin, and for those dimondites who agree with what the dimonds did are responsible also. You don't go around exposing CONFESSED sins. Hopefully they publicly apologize to him soon or judgment day isn't going to be pretty. 

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #37 on: April 13, 2022, 03:46:00 PM »
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  • Oh, hello. What the dimonds did to Jorge is DETRACTION & it's a MORTAL sin, and for those dimondites who agree with what the dimonds did are responsible also. You don't go around exposing CONFESSED sins. Hopefully they publicly apologize to him soon or judgment day isn't going to be pretty.
    And if they did that, God help them, that is truly evil. But that doesn't make them CIA, just wicked zealots.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #38 on: April 13, 2022, 04:18:08 PM »
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  • And if they did that, God help them, that is truly evil. But that doesn't make them CIA, just wicked zealots.
    Hi, I didn't say they were cia. But this did happen. 


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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #39 on: April 13, 2022, 04:34:59 PM »
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  • Hi, I didn't say they were cia. But this did happen.


    I haven't gotten a chance to watch that yet. But, the tangent about MHFM came from suspicions that they are a CIA operation, which are unfounded. A wicked cult? Maybe, but that still doesn't detract from them putting out some of the best apologetic content.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #40 on: April 13, 2022, 05:01:28 PM »
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  • I don't endorse this person who made this video, because I'm a sede and believe in water BAPTISM. Check this out



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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #41 on: April 13, 2022, 05:15:40 PM »
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  • Yes, yes, the Dimonds aren't perfect. I know many don't like them, but that doesn't prove they're CIA.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #42 on: April 13, 2022, 05:28:08 PM »
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  • Yes, yes, the Dimonds aren't perfect. I know many don't like them, but that doesn't prove they're CIA.
    Yikes! Why do you keep repeating yourself? I didn't say they were CIA!!!! I don't support them. I believed in water baptism & was a sede before they even showed up on the internet. I attend Mass. I think most of the dimondites don't attend Mass, just like the dimonds, right?  Don't forget everyone, Ibranyi (no I don't support Ibranyi) was the one who converted them to sede. 

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #43 on: April 13, 2022, 05:55:10 PM »
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  • Hi, I didn't say they were cia. But this did happen.

    We were speaking only of the allegation that they are CiA, for which there's no shred of evidence.  IF this is true, then it's absolutely despicable.  At the same time, we have to be careful of spreading THIS around without evidence of the Dimonds' wrongdoing.

    Now, this letter they wrote to someone named "Mari" wasn't really public ... until someone posted its contents in a Youtube video.  So in a way, the video itself is a detraction against the Dimond brothers ... for committing detraction.  It's also inexplicable that this guy then publishes (I assume he himself published it) an hour's worth of private correspondence between himself and the Dimond brothers ... which he'd only do if he had some serious ax to grind against them.  Dimonds seem to justify this grave detraction because the man had become some "enemy of the truth" (aka disagreed with them on some of their opinions ... which the Dimonds tend to equate with "the truth", which is a large part of where their bitter spirit comes from).

    In any case, there's no signature on this "Mari" docuмent, so anyone could have typed it up just to smear the Dimond brothers.  So we have to be careful with that also.

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    Re: Is there REALLY no anti-BOD congregation?
    « Reply #44 on: April 13, 2022, 05:56:26 PM »
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  • Yikes! Why do you keep repeating yourself? I didn't say they were CIA!!!!

    Because we're basically trying to tell your point about not liking them has nothing to do with what we were actually discussing.  You've decided to go on some smear campaign against them.