Author Topic: Is there a such thing as a "Good" Jew? (Read 4328 times)

Gimli · « **Reply #15 on:** May 05, 2013, 04:05:15 PM »

A Jew that converts to the genuine and authentic Traditional Roman Catholic faith is a very heroic and noble person and I feel happy and humble about that fact that I share the same divine and righteous faith with them. Any person that converts to the real traditional and epic Christianity, -Our Beloved Mother Church - and take there spiritual practice in their everyday life seriously is my brother and sister.

John Grace · « **Reply #16 on:** May 05, 2013, 04:06:44 PM »

They have much to answer for. Even a little book I have on William Joyce states from his letter "In death, as in this life, I defy the Jews who caused this last war: and I defy the power of Darkness which they represent". In reality Germany and England could of been friends.Just one example.

But in reality since their killing of God, they have never stopped. Auschwitz has been their shield in recent times.

Even now they have launched attacks on Syria with the support of America, who they have in their pocket.

John Grace · « **Reply #17 on:** May 05, 2013, 04:09:03 PM »

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A Jew that converts to the genuine and authentic Traditional Roman Catholic faith is a very heroic and noble person and I feel happy and humble about that fact that I share the same divine and righteous faith with them. Any person that converts to the real traditional and epic Christianity, -Our Beloved Mother Church - and take there spiritual practice in their everyday life seriously is my brother and sister.

Indeed. There have been several converts.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #18 on:** May 05, 2013, 04:51:15 PM »

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What about Jews who convert to the Catholic Faith?

They are no longer Jews, then.

But isn't there a blood and ethnicity component to being Jєωιѕн? I was wondering because I know some people who are Catholics that used to be Jews and I was curious as to whether they would still be considered Jєωιѕн or not.

Thats the thing you have to worry about with those people.

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #19 on:** May 05, 2013, 04:52:48 PM »

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What about Jews who convert to the Catholic Faith?

They are no longer Jews, then.

But isn't there a blood and ethnicity component to being Jєωιѕн? I was wondering because I know some people who are Catholics that used to be Jews and I was curious as to whether they would still be considered Jєωιѕн or not.

No, Judaism is a religion. Hence why you have American Jews, Polish Jews, Russian Jews, etc.

I still think Judaism is a race. There has to be some people today who are descendants of the tribes of Israel. Those people I would say are Jews by race. Then there are converts after that.

bowler · « **Reply #20 on:** May 05, 2013, 05:16:23 PM »

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Do you think there might be Jews out there that fall into the category of Baptism of Desire thus giving them a chance for Salvation? I imagine if there are then there would be few of them. Even if there are I still think we should deport them to Israel for the sake of Christianity. What do you think?

1) No Father of the Church or saint ever taught that a Pagan, Jew, Schismatic, or heretic could be saved by implicit faith in a God that rewards

2) No Father of the Church ever taught that a Pagan, Jew, Schismatic, or heretic could be saved by implicit baptism of desire.

3) I can't even remember now what one Father of the Church taught that a catechumen with explicit desire to be baptized could be saved. And please don't say it was St. Ambrose or St. Augustine.

4) Some Fathers did teach baptism of blood, but I never heard of any examples of BOB martyrs in the last 1800 years (If there really ever were any. There is no way to know that they were not baptized)

Matto · « **Reply #21 on:** May 05, 2013, 05:21:10 PM »

I don't think it is possible to believe in the Jєωιѕн religion and be "good." I thought it was not possible for anyone to be "good" without the Catholic Faith.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 05, 2013, 05:23:05 PM »

I remember there was a Religious Order of Jєωιѕн Catholic Converts
whose purpose was to convert the Jews to Catholicism. This order
published many excellent books aimed at the conversion of the
Jews. This Religious Order was one of the first casualty when
Vatican 2 was implemented. Many of their fine books had to be
rewritten to fit the new orientation on the Jews following
Vatican 2.
I wonder if anyone would remember the name of this
Religious Order.
This order was founded and staffed by Jєωιѕн Converts.

bowler · « **Reply #23 on:** May 05, 2013, 06:16:07 PM »

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I remember there was a Religious Order of Jєωιѕн Catholic Converts
whose purpose was to convert the Jews to Catholicism. This order
published many excellent books aimed at the conversion of the
Jews. This Religious Order was one of the first casualty when
Vatican 2 was implemented. Many of their fine books had to be
rewritten to fit the new orientation on the Jews following
Vatican 2.
I wonder if anyone would remember the name of this
Religious Order.
This order was founded and staffed by Jєωιѕн Converts.

Congregation of Our Lady of Sion ( Fr. Marie-Alphonse Ratisbonne) http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/c021rpRatisbonne02.html

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 05, 2013, 06:45:12 PM »

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I remember there was a Religious Order of Jєωιѕн Catholic Converts
whose purpose was to convert the Jews to Catholicism. This order
published many excellent books aimed at the conversion of the
Jews. This Religious Order was one of the first casualty when
Vatican 2 was implemented. Many of their fine books had to be
rewritten to fit the new orientation on the Jews following
Vatican 2.
I wonder if anyone would remember the name of this
Religious Order.
This order was founded and staffed by Jєωιѕн Converts.

Congregation of Our Lady of Sion ( Fr. Marie-Alphonse Ratisbonne) http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/c021rpRatisbonne02.html

Thank you Bowler. Why would anyone thumb you down on this.

brainglitch · « **Reply #25 on:** May 05, 2013, 06:57:55 PM »

Indeed. It is a very good example. Quite surprising someone does not like this. At least they should explain why?

brainglitch · « **Reply #26 on:** May 05, 2013, 06:59:01 PM »

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What about Jews who convert to the Catholic Faith?

They are no longer Jews, then.

But isn't there a blood and ethnicity component to being Jєωιѕн? I was wondering because I know some people who are Catholics that used to be Jews and I was curious as to whether they would still be considered Jєωιѕн or not.

No, Judaism is a religion. Hence why you have American Jews, Polish Jews, Russian Jews, etc.

I still think Judaism is a race. There has to be some people today who are descendants of the tribes of Israel. Those people I would say are Jews by race. Then there are converts after that.

Do you believe those people can be saved if they convert?

Traditional Guy 20 · « **Reply #27 on:** May 05, 2013, 07:18:41 PM »

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No, Judaism is a religion. Hence why you have American Jews, Polish Jews, Russian Jews, etc.

Uh no Judaism is not just a "religion."

It is a race. It is a group of people that are ethnically the same.

brainglitch · « **Reply #28 on:** May 05, 2013, 07:36:38 PM »

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No, Judaism is a religion. Hence why you have American Jews, Polish Jews, Russian Jews, etc.

Uh no Judaism is not just a "religion."

It is a race. It is a group of people that are ethnically the same.

So if they convert, do you think they are Catholic? It would seem a bit contradictory to call them "Catholic Jews".

InfiniteFaith · « **Reply #29 on:** May 05, 2013, 08:04:52 PM »

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Do you think there might be Jews out there that fall into the category of Baptism of Desire thus giving them a chance for Salvation? I imagine if there are then there would be few of them. Even if there are I still think we should deport them to Israel for the sake of Christianity. What do you think?

1) No Father of the Church or saint ever taught that a Pagan, Jew, Schismatic, or heretic could be saved by implicit faith in a God that rewards

2) No Father of the Church ever taught that a Pagan, Jew, Schismatic, or heretic could be saved by implicit baptism of desire.

3) I can't even remember now what one Father of the Church taught that a catechumen with explicit desire to be baptized could be saved. And please don't say it was St. Ambrose or St. Augustine.

4) Some Fathers did teach baptism of blood, but I never heard of any examples of BOB martyrs in the last 1800 years (If there really ever were any. There is no way to know that they were not baptized)

“We have been taught that Christ is the first-begotten of God, and we have declared Him to be the Logos of which all mankind partakes (Jn. 1:9). Those, therefore, who lived according to reason [logos] were really Christians, even though they were thought to be atheists, such as, among the Greeks, Socrates, Heraclitus, and others like them . . . those who lived before Christ but did not live according to reason were wicked men, and enemies of Christ, and murderers of those who did live according to reason, whereas those who lived then or who live now according to reason are Christians. Such as these can be confident and unafraid” (Justin Martyr, First Apology 46).