Author Topic: Is there a such thing as a "Good" Jew? (Read 5781 times)

bowler · « **Reply #20 on:** May 05, 2013, 05:16:23 PM »

Quote from: InfiniteFaith

Do you think there might be Jews out there that fall into the category of Baptism of Desire thus giving them a chance for Salvation? I imagine if there are then there would be few of them. Even if there are I still think we should deport them to Israel for the sake of Christianity. What do you think?

1) No Father of the Church or saint ever taught that a Pagan, Jew, Schismatic, or heretic could be saved by implicit faith in a God that rewards

2) No Father of the Church ever taught that a Pagan, Jew, Schismatic, or heretic could be saved by implicit baptism of desire.

3) I can't even remember now what one Father of the Church taught that a catechumen with explicit desire to be baptized could be saved. And please don't say it was St. Ambrose or St. Augustine.

4) Some Fathers did teach baptism of blood, but I never heard of any examples of BOB martyrs in the last 1800 years (If there really ever were any. There is no way to know that they were not baptized)

Matto · « **Reply #21 on:** May 05, 2013, 05:21:10 PM »

I don't think it is possible to believe in the Jєωιѕн religion and be "good." I thought it was not possible for anyone to be "good" without the Catholic Faith.

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 05, 2013, 05:23:05 PM »

I remember there was a Religious Order of Jєωιѕн Catholic Converts
whose purpose was to convert the Jews to Catholicism. This order
published many excellent books aimed at the conversion of the
Jews. This Religious Order was one of the first casualty when
Vatican 2 was implemented. Many of their fine books had to be
rewritten to fit the new orientation on the Jews following
Vatican 2.
I wonder if anyone would remember the name of this
Religious Order.
This order was founded and staffed by Jєωιѕн Converts.

bowler · « **Reply #23 on:** May 05, 2013, 06:16:07 PM »

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953

I remember there was a Religious Order of Jєωιѕн Catholic Converts
whose purpose was to convert the Jews to Catholicism. This order
published many excellent books aimed at the conversion of the
Jews. This Religious Order was one of the first casualty when
Vatican 2 was implemented. Many of their fine books had to be
rewritten to fit the new orientation on the Jews following
Vatican 2.
I wonder if anyone would remember the name of this
Religious Order.
This order was founded and staffed by Jєωιѕн Converts.

Congregation of Our Lady of Sion ( Fr. Marie-Alphonse Ratisbonne) http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/c021rpRatisbonne02.html

RomanCatholic1953 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 05, 2013, 06:45:12 PM »

Quote from: bowler

Quote from: RomanCatholic1953
I remember there was a Religious Order of Jєωιѕн Catholic Converts
whose purpose was to convert the Jews to Catholicism. This order
published many excellent books aimed at the conversion of the
Jews. This Religious Order was one of the first casualty when
Vatican 2 was implemented. Many of their fine books had to be
rewritten to fit the new orientation on the Jews following
Vatican 2.
I wonder if anyone would remember the name of this
Religious Order.
This order was founded and staffed by Jєωιѕн Converts.

Congregation of Our Lady of Sion ( Fr. Marie-Alphonse Ratisbonne) http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/c021rpRatisbonne02.html

Thank you Bowler. Why would anyone thumb you down on this.