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Offline poche

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« on: October 17, 2014, 12:00:42 AM »
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  • An appeals court in Pakistan has upheld the conviction of Asia Bibi, the young Christian woman sentenced to death on blasphemy charges.

    After repeatedly postponing hearings in the case, the High Court ruled that Bibi had been rightly convicted of blaspheming Islam. Her lawyers have said that they will appeal to Pakistan’s supreme court.

    The November 2010 conviction of Asia Bibi, a young wife and mother, drew international attention because of the scant evidence of any offense and the severe penalty imposed on a young mother. Human-rights activists have noted that Pakistan’s law against blasphemy is easily abused, leaving religious minorities vulnerable to false accusations.

    Two prominent Pakistani political leaders—Salman Taseer, a Muslim state governor, and Shahbazz Bhatti, a Catholic cabinet minister—were killed after they voiced their concern about the blasphemy law and the conviction of Asia Bibi.

    Since her conviction, Asia Bibi has been jailed, mostly in solitary confinement because of concerns about her safety, due to threats by Muslim militants. The pressure from Islamic extremists is widely believed to be the reason why courts have delayed hearings in the case.

    Bishop Rufin Anthony of Islamabad said that the High Court decision to uphold the death penalty in the case was “heartbreaking.” He called for prayers for the woman and for a just resolution of her case.

    http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=22950

    Isit possible that Salman Taseer is in Heaven for having died as a result of voicing concern about the unjust convictioin of Asia Bibi?

    Online Ladislaus

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    « Reply #1 on: October 17, 2014, 08:38:31 AM »
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    Is it possible that Salman Taseer is in Heaven for having died as a result of voicing concern about the unjust convictioin of Asia Bibi?


    Absolutely not.  That's Pelagian heresy.  No naturally good deed can merit heaven.  Unless he received the grace of conversion and supernatural faith before his death, he cannot be in heaven.

    You've have imbibed too deeply of the heresies of the V2 papal claimants whom you are constantly defending.


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    « Reply #2 on: October 17, 2014, 09:47:14 PM »
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    Is it possible that Salman Taseer is in Heaven for having died as a result of voicing concern about the unjust convictioin of Asia Bibi?


    Absolutely not.  That's Pelagian heresy.  No naturally good deed can merit heaven.  Unless he received the grace of conversion and supernatural faith before his death, he cannot be in heaven.

    You've have imbibed too deeply of the heresies of the V2 papal claimants whom you are constantly defending.


    Is poche a full-blown Novus Ordite?

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    « Reply #3 on: October 18, 2014, 05:36:10 PM »
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    Is it possible that Salman Taseer is in Heaven for having died as a result of voicing concern about the unjust convictioin of Asia Bibi?


    Absolutely not.  That's Pelagian heresy.  No naturally good deed can merit heaven.  Unless he received the grace of conversion and supernatural faith before his death, he cannot be in heaven.

    You've have imbibed too deeply of the heresies of the V2 papal claimants whom you are constantly defending.


    Is poche a full-blown Novus Ordite?


    Seems that way.  For him the NO can do no wrong.  Even Burke is attacking the "Synod" while poche defends it.


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    « Reply #4 on: October 19, 2014, 11:49:38 PM »
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    Is it possible that Salman Taseer is in Heaven for having died as a result of voicing concern about the unjust convictioin of Asia Bibi?


    Absolutely not.  That's Pelagian heresy.  No naturally good deed can merit heaven.  Unless he received the grace of conversion and supernatural faith before his death, he cannot be in heaven.

    You've have imbibed too deeply of the heresies of the V2 papal claimants whom you are constantly defending.


    Couldn't he had recieved the grace of conversion for having defended the right of the Christian minority in his jurisdiction? God gave the Holy Innocents the grace of conversion when Herod killed all of them while trying to kill Jesus.


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    « Reply #5 on: October 20, 2014, 04:01:09 AM »
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  • Since when do infants have the ability, or need to convert?
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    « Reply #6 on: October 22, 2014, 12:38:07 AM »
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    Since when do infants have the ability, or need to convert?

    We celebrate the Feast of the Holy Innocents on December 28. They are recognized as saints in the Catholic Church. They were put to death by Herod because he figured if he could kill all the infants in and around Bethlehem he would be sure to kill Jesus. I was wondering if other non Catholics like Salman Taseer, who was killed for his support of the liberation of Asia Bibi could possibly be in Heaven for giving their lives for Christianity?  

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    « Reply #7 on: October 22, 2014, 06:28:32 AM »
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    Since when do infants have the ability, or need to convert?

    We celebrate the Feast of the Holy Innocents on December 28. They are recognized as saints in the Catholic Church. They were put to death by Herod because he figured if he could kill all the infants in and around Bethlehem he would be sure to kill Jesus. I was wondering if other non Catholics like Salman Taseer, who was killed for his support of the liberation of Asia Bibi could possibly be in Heaven for giving their lives for Christianity?  


    Again, the answer is absolutely not.  No non-Catholics can be saved not even if they shed their blood directly for Christ.  This guy didn't even do that.  He just stood up on the principle of natural justice.  Unless he CONVERTED.  You seem to have a warped understanding of conversion.  He would have to have come to believe in Our Lord Jesus Christ as God and belief in the Holy Trinity.  Could God have given him these lights before death?  Possibly, but we'll never know that in this life.