Author Topic: Is Feeneyism Catholic, Fr. Francois Laisney, book for sale (Read 6942 times)

Ambrose · « **on:** August 07, 2014, 03:08:36 PM »

Is anyone here confused about what the Church teaches on Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood?

The book can be found on the SSPX book publisher, Angelus Press, linked HERE

$7.95 plus shipping

Is Feeneyism Catholic?

Fr. Francois Laisney

Question 321, Baltimore Catechism: "How can those be saved who through no fault of their own have not received the sacrament of Baptism?

Answer: "Those who through no fault of their own have not received the sacrament of Baptism can be saved through what is called baptism of blood or baptism of desire." Period. Amen... for most of us.

But some, who even call themselves traditional Catholics, cannot accept this simple teaching of our catechism. They cannot accept baptism of desire because they confuse the grace of baptism (which is necessary for salvation) with the character of baptism (which is not necessary for salvation). Because of this confusion, they deny the simple truth that all that is really necessary for salvation is to die in the state of grace.

This is serious. And you need to know how to address these errors, how to defend the orthodox Faith, how to defend yourself and your family, and how to help those sitting in the darkness of error. This book examines these simple truths of our catechism. Quoting heavily the Church's Magisterium, Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and the writings of the Saints, Fr. Laisney explains the Church's teaching on Baptism of Desire. A defense of Catholicism, not of false ecuмenism. Father's new edition is twice the size of his original work and is enriched and made more convincing by copious quotations from the writings of the Saints.

128 pp. Softcover.

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Ambrose · « **Reply #1 on:** August 07, 2014, 03:10:19 PM »

Ladislaus · « **Reply #2 on:** August 07, 2014, 03:35:07 PM »

Sorry, but this book is absolute crap. It's filled with lies and distortions. I have not seen one defense of BoD that does a fair and honest treatment of the subject (apart from the paper by Karl Rahner).

Ambrose · « **Reply #3 on:** August 07, 2014, 04:23:23 PM »

The book is a masterful work in theology, well sourced with tightly constructed and logical argumentation. It debunks the heretical idea that denies Catholic teaching on Baptism of Desire.

Every Catholic should read this book prior to coming into contact with deniers of Baptism of Desire. It will inoculate them from this heresy, and give them the apologetical tools needed to help those already infected to return to orthodoxy.

This book, along with so many other works on this subject by the SSPX, CMRI and other concerned Catholics should be on the bookshelf of every Catholic home.

Stubborn · « **Reply #4 on:** August 07, 2014, 04:23:58 PM »

Fr. Francois Laisney, another winner.

Stubborn · « **Reply #5 on:** August 07, 2014, 04:26:10 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose

The book is a masterful work in theology, well sourced with tightly constructed and logical argumentation. It debunks the heretical idea that denies Catholic teaching on Baptism of Desire.

Every Catholic should read this book prior to coming into contact with deniers of Baptism of Desire. It will inoculate them from this heresy, and give them the apologetical tools needed to help those already infected to return to orthodoxy.

This book, along with so many other works on this subject by the SSPX, CMRI and other concerned Catholics should be on the bookshelf of every Catholic home.

Yes yes yes, but can you do the Catholic thing and defend the necessity of the sacraments unto salvation?

No, of course you can't defend that which you despise - if only you could get yourself to admit it.

Ambrose · « **Reply #6 on:** August 07, 2014, 04:35:22 PM »

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Quote from: Ambrose
The book is a masterful work in theology, well sourced with tightly constructed and logical argumentation. It debunks the heretical idea that denies Catholic teaching on Baptism of Desire.

Every Catholic should read this book prior to coming into contact with deniers of Baptism of Desire. It will inoculate them from this heresy, and give them the apologetical tools needed to help those already infected to return to orthodoxy.

This book, along with so many other works on this subject by the SSPX, CMRI and other concerned Catholics should be on the bookshelf of every Catholic home.

Yes yes yes, but can you do the Catholic thing and defend the necessity of the sacraments unto salvation?

No, of course you can't defend that which you despise - if only you could get yourself to admit it.

I am defending Catholic Teaching right before your eyes. You have been deceived by heretics. The door is always open for you to recant, don't let your stubbornness stop you.

Stubborn · « **Reply #7 on:** August 07, 2014, 04:48:25 PM »

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The book is a masterful work in theology, well sourced with tightly constructed and logical argumentation. It debunks the heretical idea that denies Catholic teaching on Baptism of Desire.

Every Catholic should read this book prior to coming into contact with deniers of Baptism of Desire. It will inoculate them from this heresy, and give them the apologetical tools needed to help those already infected to return to orthodoxy.

This book, along with so many other works on this subject by the SSPX, CMRI and other concerned Catholics should be on the bookshelf of every Catholic home.

Yes yes yes, but can you do the Catholic thing and defend the necessity of the sacraments unto salvation?

No, of course you can't defend that which you despise - if only you could get yourself to admit it.

I am defending Catholic Teaching right before your eyes. You have been deceived by heretics. The door is always open for you to recant, don't let your stubbornness stop you.

You are an oversized weasel who cannot defend the necessity of the sacraments any more than any other compromiser.

I pray when your last hour comes, that God does not leave you to desire the sacrament of Extreme Unction - your desire will never save you.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #8 on:** August 07, 2014, 06:23:31 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose

The book is a masterful work in theology, well sourced with tightly constructed and logical argumentation.

:roll-laugh1:

You call anything "masterful" that happens to reinforce your own thinking.

Father Laisney starts by declaring that BoD is the unanimous teaching of the Church Fathers. He "proves" this by citing a number of Church Fathers talking about Baptism of Blood, Church Fathers who actually REJECT Baptism of Desire (while upholding that of Blood). St. Robert Bellarmine admits in his treatment of Baptism that the Church Fathers were divided on Baptism of Desire. Yet Laisney lies by claiming that they were "unanimous".

Laisney is constantly quoting things and inserting elipses in places where the text is not convenient for his agenda.

And the book goes downhill from there.

It's crap.

Karl Rahner actually does a VERY HONEST job of tracing the history of this thinking. And obviously Karl "Anonymous Christian" Rahner is no Feeneyite. He just happens to honestly admit that there's no trace of this in the early Church.

Ambrose · « **Reply #9 on:** August 07, 2014, 06:50:23 PM »

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Quote from: Ambrose
The book is a masterful work in theology, well sourced with tightly constructed and logical argumentation.

:roll-laugh1:

You call anything "masterful" that happens to reinforce your own thinking.

Father Laisney starts by declaring that BoD is the unanimous teaching of the Church Fathers. He "proves" this by citing a number of Church Fathers talking about Baptism of Blood, Church Fathers who actually REJECT Baptism of Desire (while upholding that of Blood). St. Robert Bellarmine admits in his treatment of Baptism that the Church Fathers were divided on Baptism of Desire. Yet Laisney lies by claiming that they were "unanimous".

Laisney is constantly quoting things and inserting elipses in places where the text is not convenient for his agenda.

And the book goes downhill from there.

It's crap.

Karl Rahner actually does a VERY HONEST job of tracing the history of this thinking. And obviously Karl "Anonymous Christian" Rahner is no Feeneyite. He just happens to honestly admit that there's no trace of this in the early Church.

No, I just love the Catholic teaching, which you for some reason are unable to recognize.

Ambrose · « **Reply #10 on:** August 07, 2014, 06:51:24 PM »

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Quote from: Ambrose
The book is a masterful work in theology, well sourced with tightly constructed and logical argumentation. It debunks the heretical idea that denies Catholic teaching on Baptism of Desire.

Every Catholic should read this book prior to coming into contact with deniers of Baptism of Desire. It will inoculate them from this heresy, and give them the apologetical tools needed to help those already infected to return to orthodoxy.

This book, along with so many other works on this subject by the SSPX, CMRI and other concerned Catholics should be on the bookshelf of every Catholic home.

Yes yes yes, but can you do the Catholic thing and defend the necessity of the sacraments unto salvation?

No, of course you can't defend that which you despise - if only you could get yourself to admit it.

I am defending Catholic Teaching right before your eyes. You have been deceived by heretics. The door is always open for you to recant, don't let your stubbornness stop you.

You are an oversized weasel who cannot defend the necessity of the sacraments any more than any other compromiser.

I pray when your last hour comes, that God does not leave you to desire the sacrament of Extreme Unction - your desire will never save you.

Catholic Teaching is not what you want it to be, it exists outside of your mind.

JPaul · « **Reply #11 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:46:41 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose

The book is a masterful work in theology, well sourced with tightly constructed and logical argumentation. It debunks the heretical idea that denies Catholic teaching on Baptism of Desire.

Every Catholic should read this book prior to coming into contact with deniers of Baptism of Desire. It will inoculate them from this heresy, and give them the apologetical tools needed to help those already infected to return to orthodoxy.

This book, along with so many other works on this subject by the SSPX, CMRI and other concerned Catholics should be on the bookshelf of every Catholic home.

An excursion into fuzzy theology and sentimentalism. It is indeed an example of one of the areas of soft theology that is found in the SSPX and its sede spinoffs.

Ambrose · « **Reply #12 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:50:11 PM »

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Quote from: Ambrose
The book is a masterful work in theology, well sourced with tightly constructed and logical argumentation. It debunks the heretical idea that denies Catholic teaching on Baptism of Desire.

Every Catholic should read this book prior to coming into contact with deniers of Baptism of Desire. It will inoculate them from this heresy, and give them the apologetical tools needed to help those already infected to return to orthodoxy.

This book, along with so many other works on this subject by the SSPX, CMRI and other concerned Catholics should be on the bookshelf of every Catholic home.

An excursion into fuzzy theology and sentimentalism. It is indeed an example of one of the areas of soft theology that is found in the SSPX and its sede spinoffs.

So you say.

JPaul · « **Reply #13 on:** August 07, 2014, 09:55:26 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose

Quote from: J.Paul
Quote from: Ambrose
The book is a masterful work in theology, well sourced with tightly constructed and logical argumentation. It debunks the heretical idea that denies Catholic teaching on Baptism of Desire.

Every Catholic should read this book prior to coming into contact with deniers of Baptism of Desire. It will inoculate them from this heresy, and give them the apologetical tools needed to help those already infected to return to orthodoxy.

This book, along with so many other works on this subject by the SSPX, CMRI and other concerned Catholics should be on the bookshelf of every Catholic home.

An excursion into fuzzy theology and sentimentalism. It is indeed an example of one of the areas of soft theology that is found in the SSPX and its sede spinoffs.

So you say.

And so I do.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #14 on:** August 07, 2014, 11:13:43 PM »

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Fr. Francois Laisney, another winner.

Make that another whiner.

He's a good example of why the SSPX is TANKING these days. With scholarship like this, it's no wonder there are serious problems.

The same kind of flaccid nonsense went into the various docuмents of 2012 such as the abominable AFD, the letter to the three bishops, and the "Six Conditions" attached to the General Chapter from July 2012. It's all most incriminating.

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