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Author Topic: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"  (Read 36987 times)

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Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #195 on: August 22, 2018, 04:03:26 PM »
CANON III.-If any one saith, that without the prevenient inspiration of the Holy Ghost, and without his help, man can believe, hope, love, or be penitent as he ought, so as that the grace of Justification may be bestowed upon him; let him be anathema.

Unless the Holy Ghost provides man with the disposition/inspiration to be justified, then he will not be.  Unless the Holy Ghost disposes man to accept the Church, he will not accept it.

Those whom God does not dispose/inspire to be baptized or to have knowledge of the Faith, are those whom God knew, from all eternity, would not accept His graces.  Usually the adage of "grace builds on nature" applies.  This is called the mystery of salvation.

Your quote has nothing to do with the comment you are responding to.

It is more or less a condemnation of Pelagianism.

My response that that implicit baptism pertains to souls who never had a chance to accept or deny the faith was in response to the assertion that such had denied the faith.

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Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #196 on: August 22, 2018, 04:07:48 PM »
There is no such thing as 'invincible ignorance':

That was the true light, which enlighteneth every man that cometh into this world.  (John 1:9)


Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #197 on: August 22, 2018, 04:10:37 PM »
There is no such thing as 'invincible ignorance':

That was the true light, which enlighteneth every man that cometh into this world.  (John 1:9)

Then why are saints, popes, and doctors discussing and teaching it?

Moreover, why are none found condemning it?

Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #198 on: August 22, 2018, 04:13:23 PM »
The only thing that that post states is that, in order for implicit BOD to apply, a person must make an "explicit act of faith in at least one aspect of the true religion".  Can you provide examples of what those aspects would be?  This is what at least a handful of us are asking here.  If we have missed it, then just copy and paste it in a new post.

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A supernatural faith in any article of faith  suffices for a man to desire the whole faith.

For example, if a priest or book taught one the dogma of the Trinity or Incarnation, it might in so dispose a soul to implicitly desire and accept the whole thing, had they only known (which is why only God can say who really has been baptized by implicit desire).

Obviously, the more doctrine is known, the better the chance the implicit desire can be formed (but also, the greater chance it will be rejected).

What we are really talking about here is cooperation with grace and merit (subjects I will not even enter into, if we are flailing so wildly on the basics).

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Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #199 on: August 22, 2018, 04:15:19 PM »

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A supernatural faith in any article of faith  suffices for a man to desire the whole faith.
This is a denial of what Trent teaches.