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Author Topic: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"  (Read 36992 times)

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Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2018, 10:18:50 PM »

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Well Trent says faith comes from hearing. 
What a Protestant sounding attempt at a rebuttal.  Well done, brother Mith!  

Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2018, 10:19:11 PM »
Where does one come to see frothing and foaming from the dogmas that I posted? All I see in that response is the writer discrediting himself online. He would be wise to think before he post "replies" like that.
It makes me wonder just how old the person on the other side is.

More froth and foam.


Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2018, 10:21:00 PM »
Well Trent says faith comes from hearing. So even if you want to throw out the ordinary magisterium, Struthio, Trent isn't going to get you to BoD denial. Certainly not the way you just described, at any rate.

Oh-oh...

:popcorn:

Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2018, 10:23:17 PM »
What a Protestant sounding attempt at a rebuttal.  Well done, brother Mith!  

The Feeneyites going after the sedevacantists.

Now I can guarantee that this thread will last at least 250 pages, covering everything from hard boiled eggs to why Prots like McDonalds.

:popcorn:

Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2018, 10:23:36 PM »
Well let's take one thing at a time. I'm happy to debate the point directly from Trent, so long as I'm also on record noting that the real problem here is a fundamental misunderstanding of Catholic learning viz. disregard for the ordinary magisterium.

When describing the justification of the sinner before baptism, Trent teaches (contra the Protestants) the initiatory role that faith plays in that process. It says faith comes from hearing, not baptism. Denz 798

"Now they are disposed to that justice [can. 7 and 9] when, aroused and assisted by divine grace, receiving faith "by hearing" [Rom. 10:17], they are freely moved toward God, believing that to be true which has been divinely revealed and promised..."
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It says the virtues are infused at baptism too, of course, which only makes sense given the (again, contra Protestants) *continued* justification of souls.