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Author Topic: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"  (Read 30002 times)

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Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2018, 09:39:30 AM »
The OP continues to post his same basic errors after being corrected many times, he is attempting to construct a building from the top floor down. He first has to personally learn foundations and construction principals before he even begins to talk about a building anything (teaching others anything).

Some examples:

He titles the thread Baptism of Desire and Feeneyism, yet this thread is really totally about salvation by Implicit Faith which he never mentions.  

He starts out by saying baptism of desire is defide. In other threads he has said that implicit desire and implicit baptism of desire are defide. Those are three different theories, which really could mean anything unless they are defined, and he clearly does not know the difference. Basically he is saying that something undefined is defide, "constructing a building from the top floor down".

He says there is a difference between Rahner's teaching and what he believes, and says the difference is "Rahner posited one could be saved by a faith  completely implicit, with no explicit act of supernatural faith in even one single aspect of the true religion", but he never says what this explicit act of supernatural faith in even one single aspect of the true religion is.

Until the OP learns the principles of the subject, he will never begin to build anything




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Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2018, 10:54:30 AM »
Pfeiffer:

In addition, it is found even before this millennium in the very early years of the Church without a single dissenting voice.

This abject lie alone completely discredits Pfeiffer.


Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2018, 11:00:57 AM »
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the explicit act of supernatural faith in at least one aspect of the true religion

Like what exactly? A God who rewards the good and punishes the evil?  ::) (Jews, Moslems, Hindu, basically all religions and sects agree with this)

No point at all in God having revealed Himself to us in the Person of Jesus Christ if this vagueness would suffice.

Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2018, 11:06:47 AM »
Whatever Fr Pfeiffer, any other priest, the SSPX, any other group, any Father or Doctor of the Church ever taught on justification, as Catholics we are bound to stick to the Faith including the definitions and declarations of the extraordinary Magisterium of the Church:


Vatican I: SESSION 2 : 6 January 1870, Profession of faith

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Profession of faith

1, I, Pius, bishop of the catholic church, with firm faith believe and profess each and every article contained in the profession of faith which the holy Roman church uses, namely:

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6. I embrace and accept the whole and every part of what was defined and declared by the holy council of Trent concerning original sin and justification.

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Trent:  SESSION 6 : 1547, Decree on Justification

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DECREE ON JUSTIFICATION
Proem.

Whereas there is, at this time, not without the shipwreck of many souls, and grievous detriment to the unity of the Church, a certain erroneous doctrine disseminated touching Justification; the sacred and holy, oecuмenical and general Synod of Trent, lawfully assembled in the Holy Ghost,–the most reverend lords, Giammaria del Monte, bishop of Palaestrina, and Marcellus of the title of the Holy Cross in Jerusalem, priest, cardinals of the holy Roman Church, and legates apostolic a latere, presiding therein, in the name of our most holy father and lord in Christ, Paul III., by the providence of God, Pope,-purposes, unto the praise and glory of Almighty God, the tranquillising of the Church, and the salvation of souls, to expound to all the faithful of Christ the true and sound doctrine touching the said Justification; which (doctrine) the sun of justice, Christ Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, taught, which the apostles transmitted, and which the Catholic Church, the Holy Ghost reminding her thereof, has always retained; most strictly forbidding that any henceforth presume to believe, preach, or teach, otherwise than as by this present decree is defined and declared.

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CHAPTER VII.
 What the justification of the impious is, and what are the causes thereof.

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Of this Justification the causes are these: the final cause indeed is the glory of God and of Jesus Christ, and life everlasting; while the efficient cause is a merciful God who washes and sanctifies gratuitously, signing, and anointing with the holy Spirit of promise, who is the pledge of our inheritance; but the meritorious cause is His most beloved only-begotten, our Lord Jesus Christ, who, when we were enemies, for the exceeding charity wherewith he loved us, merited Justification for us by His most holy Passion on the wood of the cross, and made satisfaction for us unto God the Father; the instrumental cause is the sacrament of baptism, which is the sacrament of faith, without which (faith) no man was ever justified; lastly, the alone formal cause is the justice of God, not that whereby He Himself is just, but that whereby He maketh us just, that, to wit, with which we being endowed by Him, are renewed in the spirit of our mind, and we are not only reputed, but are truly called, and are, just, receiving justice within us, each one according to his own measure, which the Holy Ghost distributes to every one as He wills, and according to each one’s proper disposition and co-operation.

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Any teachings about justification without the sacrament of baptism are most strictly forbidden by the Vatican Council as well as by the Council of Trent. They are an attack on the true Faith as professed by the holy Roman Church.

Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2018, 11:29:29 AM »
You keep repeating "explicit act of supernatural faith" but you've never explained what actually qualifies.