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Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« on: August 19, 2018, 08:00:01 PM »
Ironically, it is Fr. Pfeiffer in this old Angelus Article who points out the common teaching of the Church: Baptism of desire is de fide:

[Here is the link to entire article, in which additional Feeneyite errors are refuted: http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/feeneyism/three_errors_of_feeneyites.htm]


"Error II:
The doctrine of baptism of desire is optional
The Feeneyites present the Church’s doctrine of baptism of desire as a question to be freely discussed within the Church: "...what amounts to an academic difference to be settled by the Church."[6] If this were the case, each school of thought would then have to be accepted until the pope later defined this doctrine. This is false. The error here is to claim that only that which has already been defined belongs to the deposit of Faith, and everything else is opened to free discussion. The truth is that one must believe everything which belongs to the deposit of Faith, that being what has already been defined and that which is not yet defined but is unanimously taught by the Church.

Such is the case for the doctrine on baptism of desire, by the Feeneyites’ own admission. They write: "This teaching [on the "three baptisms"] indeed was and is the common teaching of theologians since the early part of this millennium."[7] However, this was not only the "common teaching of theologians," but also that of popes, Doctors of the Church, and saints! In addition, it is found even before this millennium in the very early years of the Church without a single dissenting voice.

Therefore one ought to believe in the doctrine of "three baptisms," as it belongs to the Catholic Faith, though not yet defined. That is why St. Alphonsus can say, as we have already reported: "It is de fide...."

We can concede that if a point of doctrine is not yet defined, one may be excused in case of ignorance or may be allowed to discuss some precisionwithin the doctrine. In the case of baptism of desire, for instance, we are allowed to discuss how explicit the Catholic Faith must be in one for baptism of desire. But one is not allowed to simply deny baptism of desire and reject the doctrine itself. Rigorism always tends to destroy the truth.

He who denies a point of doctrine of the Church, knowing that it is unanimously taught in the Tradition of the Church, even though it is not yet defined, is not without sin against the virtue of Faith "without which [Faith] no one ever was justified" (Denzinger, The Sources of Catholic Dogma, 799; hereafter abbreviated Dz).

Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2018, 08:21:39 PM »
As regards arguing about how much explicit desire suffices for implicit desire, I said this:

"Here is how implicit baptism of desire is distinguished from Rahner’s “anonymous Christianity:”

In describing his theory of "anonymous Christianity," Rahner stated that non-Catholics could have "in [their] basic orientation and fundamental decision, accepted the salvific grace of God, through Christ, although [they] may never have heard of the Christian revelation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_Christian#cite_ref-FOOTNOTERahner1986207_6-0

This means that such "anonymous Christians" were ignorant not merely of the obligation to receive the sacrament of baptism, but of the entire Christian revelation.

Consequently, an explicit act of supernatural faith in any particular part of it is not possible...yet salvation is allegedly attained anyway.

The necessary conclusion of Rahner's theory is that a merely natural knowledge and/or act of faith in God (e.g., such as that which is attainable by mere reason alone) suffices to unite one to the Church, and save.

Contrast this with implicit baptism of desire, which requires an explicit act of supernatural faith in someaspect of the true religion:

"Thus, there is need of explicit faith in some article of faith. In the implicit desire of baptism, the act of Faith and hope must be explicit, while it suffices for the desire of baptism itself to be implicit, since he who desires the whole desires necessarily every part of that whole...In any case, there is no Baptism of desire without the supernatural virtue of faith and a certain explicit knowledge of the essential points of faith. Since the nature of faith means that is impossible, that it be completely implicit, since faith is a supernatural light to the intelligence."
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/currenterrors/bapdesire.htm

We can see, therefore, that the difference between Rahner's "anonymous Christianity" and implicit baptism of desire is huge:

Rahner posited one could be saved by a faith completelyimplicit, with no explicit act of supernatural faith in even one single aspect of the true religion.

That position is fatal to the missionary apostolate of the Church, and therefore a rejection of Scripture ("Go forth into all nations..."), whereas the Church's teaching of implicit baptism of desire, insofar as it requires theexplicit act of supernatural faith in at least one aspect of the true religion, consequently implies the necessity of the missionary apostolate to make such doctrines known (at least in part).

I believe if Feeneyites understood this, they would not (or at least, should not) oppose the doctrine of implicit baptism of desire, which they routinely confuse with "anonymous Christianity," despite the very large difference between the two."

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/eleison-comments-by-mgr-williamson-issue-dlxxvii-(577)/90/ 


Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2018, 06:38:52 AM »
"The idea that an individual died before he was able to receive the Sacrament of Baptism is equally curious, because it is God who determines how long each of us shall live to the second. And it is God Who in His most benevolent Providence grants Baptism to everyone who receives it. Is He a monster (for Whom nothing is impossible or difficult) who instructs certain individuals in the absolute necessity of Baptism, grants them the grace of wishing it, then cuts off their life so that they can never receive it? And then casts them into Hell forever for not having received it? No, on the very contrary. He is an all-loving God, Who most certainly provides to the responsive all that is needful to them. If they are truly desirous of Baptism, if need be, He will provide it, even by a miracle. (It is a miracle to us, but not to Him.) This is what the Scriptures means when it says, "The hand of the Lord is not shortened" (Isaias 59:1)." - Fr. Wathen


Of all the points that testify against a BOD, I think I like this one the best.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2018, 08:39:32 AM »
Ironically, it is Fr. Pfeiffer in this old Angelus Article who points out the common teaching of the Church: Baptism of desire is de fide:

Pfeiffer's article has to be one of the worst attempts at theology that I have ever had the displeasure of reading.  It's filled with lies and distortions.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is BOD Merely a "Disputed Issue?"
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2018, 08:50:02 AM »
So let's examine the Johnsonian argument above.

Since Rahner's anonymous Christianity is even more extreme than the implicit BoD taught by some "Catholics", Feeneyites should no longer have any reason to oppos implicit BoD.  [Johnson is actually wrong in his analysis of Rahner, but I'll let the pass for now.]

I have no words for the epicness of this failure.